Prosecuting Trump for role in Jan. 6 riot got easier thanks to Capitol officers' testimony

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  1. MJ Davies

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    Prosecuting Trump for role in Jan. 6 riot got easier thanks to Capitol officers' testimony
    I'm sure Trump will wiggle out of this like he has with all his crimes. It's pathetic how easily swayed some people have been just to lie to themselves about how horrible a person he really is. I would have never believed it if I wasn't seeing it. The day when one man (monster) is more important than one's country. Unthinkable.

    What do you think?
     
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    Just because someone points to someone else as the cause of their own actions, does not directly make it a cause. That would be a weak argument for a prosecutor. At no point did Trump explicitly call for violence, and it'll be hard to prove that in a court of law.
     
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    Trump claims that he requested 10,000 National Guard prior to January 6, 2021 and it was denied. Why would he do that if he didn't anticipate any trouble?

    Why did he refuse to engage back-up as the rioters breached the building? Pence and Pelosi took the lead and called for help.

    Trump is responsible. He may never face a trial for his role but he will go down in history books as an ineffective leader and traitor to this country.
     
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    Is this when I raise the Nuremberg Trials example?
     
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    It will be exceptionally hard for anyone that is not a total moron to think Trump called for violence with this video evidence nuking that belief for rational people.



    Game. Set. Match.
     
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    This is being done for history. We want future generations to know about trump’s seditious actions.
    In the end, trump will probably be allowed to skate and he’ll keep scamming people for money. The legal system is too scared to treat trump like the criminal he is for fear of his cult.
    I guess we should be grateful that they didn’t get in bed with his attempted coup.
    For that, I applaud the principled repubs and the legal system who repeatedly rejected his thuggery and threats.
    In a just world, he would have never made it past his mafia money laundering years to soil our country with his sadistic malignant narcissism.
     
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    Nuremburg proves my point exactly though, the Nazis were held responsible for war crimes and saying "he made me do it" wasn't a defense. The Nazis were directly responsible for the pain they inflicted and genocidal murders during the war. In the same breathe, saying "but Trump" doesn't exclude responsibility nor does it directly implicate Trump.

    This isn't some pyramid scheme or something.
     
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    Only in an Orwellian world would that be the history as it contradicts reality. But, there are plenty of really partisan fools that will believe it, because they don't think or research for themselves.
     
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    Correct, and if Hitler had not suicided, do you reckon he would have avoided a conviction because those who did the dirty work claimed they were urged/ordered to do so by Hitler?
     
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    Of course not, but here's where we diverge: There's no evidence that Trump played the part of Hitler here. Rather, the would-be stormtroopers WANTED him to play the part of Hitler, but he wasn't game for that. In other words, it's a convenient excuse by those who stormed the capital but they acted on their own accord. What they believed or not is irrelevant.
     
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    Its called hearsay. Irrelevant and not admissible in any court. If you want to prosecute someone for a crime, its a good idea to have him commit one. Telling people to be peaceful during their demonstration contradicts what you claim. What you think has no relevance on anything. If you had such information like maybe the video of Trumps speech to the crowd, you would have quoted where he told people to do something illegal.
    But you don't. All you have is what you think he might have meant.
    Which is worthless.
     
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    Oh my, now they got 'im fer sure... skull.jpg ....:rolleyes:
     
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    The whole speech was a complete and total incitement aimed at an already violent crowd Trump had in fact called to come there in the first place. To even suggest that ONE SENTENCE obviously and transparently intended as a CYA device should exonerate Trump from his egregious treason is patently absurd.

    Trump has the blood of the police killed here directly on his hands and he should be charged and tried for that as well
     
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    Exactly, AU.

    And, obviously, I agree with your assessment.
     
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    Bahahahah so tell me. If trump was planning an insurrection why in the actual **** would he request national guard troops?

    Thanks for proving he wasn’t planning an insurrection.
    Snotloller
     
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    Thank you for your support (have some wine) :p
     
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    Btw any of you are welcome to answer
     
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    Veni, Vidi, Vino...[​IMG]

    I still can't believe that Trump thinks that 3 Words "exonerate" him.

    That Obese, Bloated, Orange Clown is Delusional...

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    Rep. Dean was spot-on:

    a “few seconds” in a nearly 11,000-word speech and that it was the “only time President Trump used the word peaceful or any suggestion of nonviolence.” She said that wasn’t the overarching message.

    She said, “President Trump used the word ‘fight’ or ‘fighting’ 20 times, including telling the crowd they needed to ‘fight like hell.'”
     
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    Two more cops committed suicide.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/poli...cer-suicide-january-6-capitol-riot/index.html
     
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    And the worst part is that his followers AGREE with him. Trump, sort of HAS to act that way at this point, but his followers behave like they're no longer capable of ANY thought, let alone rationality, How much credibility does hating immigrants, foreigners, minorities and poor people GIVE some politicians? WHEN will the Trumpettes turn?
     
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    trump wasn’t at the riot
    He said “peacefully protest”
    If trump does go down for this then our laws will change forever
    Also if trump down for this then we can go after Maxine waters for her much harsher words of encouraging harassment (and she didn’t even say “peacefully “)
     
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    The Hill is even steeper than that. Not only did he not explicitly call for violence, but he also explicitly called for a Peaceful and patriotic march.
     
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    Worse than that. The government will have called war against the people and an entire political party. You cannot falsely jail a highly political figure for political reasons and expect people to not think their government has turned on and betrayed its people and its country.

    A lot of bad **** will happen but I'm going to go find a safe place to protect my loved ones. Somewhere remote and Red
     
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    I think that the left just likes to keep information from reaching you and others. Trump is clearly saying at the end of his speech to go to the Capitol and "peaceably" protest. He said this more than once. So, there is no crime for Trump to tell the crowd to go to the Capitol. What's wrong with that? He never said go inside and be violent. Not one word in his speech says this. He simply said go and protest peaceably. How is that against the law?
     
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