Protesters Take Down and Deface US Flag, Raise Mexican Flag

What does the Statue of Liberty have to do with illegal immigration?

 

Sorry but given the history between our two nations we once more have not right to get on some moral high horse over a flag issue of all things.

 

Sure.

Now, again, I want to state clearly that I'm comfortable with ambiguity, and this leads to me being willing to make sweeping statements that aren't always true, but capture some kind of truth that otherwise can't be captured.

I think all around the globe different ethnic groups mix throughout borderlands and share states dominated by another ethnic group, while a state dominated by their own ethnic group lies right over the border, and I think that the outcomes of this range from harmonious (Switzerland), to tense, but mostly non-violent (Belgium), to violent, but not all-consuming (Iran), to extremely violent on the level of genocide, as we see in central/eastern Africa between the Hutus and Tutsis.

I worry that the two dominant ethnic groups in the American Southwest (though you can expand this number to something more like four) might fall on the latter part of this spectrum, if we don't play our cards right.

 

It shows how we ought to deal with all immigrants, even illegal ones if we deal with the illegality first. It particularly tells us how to deal with refugees, and most of the "illegal" immigrants we're getting now are really refugees.

 

When was that written?

 

But during the Jim Crow period and civil rights conflicts there was little 'hand to hand' combat for example.

 

You don't have to 'deal with illegals', they're not your problem! Why are you interfering with foreign nationals? If they make it into your territory, return to their rightful owners. Job done.

As for refugees, what you're actually getting is economic migrants who've been told to ask for asylum. When a nation behaves like the town bike (as America has), such easy largess and naivety will always be massively exploited.

 

The border will never be as secure as Republicans want it. That is the nature of borders, they are only as secure as both sides want it to be and neither America nor Mexico wants a totally secure border though both say different.

 

That's correct, but African-Americans have a fundamentally different historical relationship to the United States than Mexicans (or other Latinos) in the Southwest. I live on land that my ancestors stole from the ancestors of a lot of the people now living here. To make matters worse, people like me are treating Hispanics as second-class citizens, and acting like the Hispanic demographic explosion amounts to a barbarian invasion that will destroy our livelihoods. And things didn't have to be as peaceful as they were in the case of the African-American struggle against oppression. I think that the African-American community just happened to have strong moral leadership, a fact not guaranteed for any community.

Now, I don't know how widespread the violence is going to be. I'd like there to be none, but there will be some. I think that the impetus lies mostly in the hands of white Anglo Southwesterners. The political flipping of Texas is going to be the critical point. I worry that Anglos in the region will react to this event with racism and violence. I think that, from there, it would spiral out of control, potentially leading to a war between the United States and Mexico. I don't think it will, but it's plausible, and that worries me.

 

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If someone shows enough desire to be an American to come here they should be given a fair hearing and permitted to stay if we can. People on our soil are ours, we should only send them home if there's a good reason. Read the words again, they say we want the "wretched refuse" not the successful and not the best, (though you have to wonder why people doing well where they were would come here anyway) We are the nation of the second chance, that's our uniqueness as a people and the major reason for our success.

 

1885 or thereabouts

 

The return of Democratic control of Texas may stir up a Waco siege-type event here or there but ult-right generally don't get militant. The blending of cultures/ ethnicities/ races is much more common today than past centuries.

 

Apparently Top Dems feel they should, as they campaign in the 3rd world.

 

Seems a bit RINO of a philosophy.

Let me guess, La Raza is a good thing too, right?

 

The flipping of Texas will mean the absolute abolition of their political power, at least in the short term. They're not going to react well to it. I hope you're right, but I don't think you are.

The "blending of cultures/ethnicities/races" has always been common, and it carries with it great tensions.

 

Well, I'm not a Republican even in name, so I don't think RINO really applies.

I don't know much about La Raza. Extremist groups are definitely going to pop up on both sides of this ethnic divide, but I suspect that, like with whites/blacks in the South, the white people are going to be the most militant on the matter.

 

The areas of power/ influence are the large cities in Texas; they are already Democratic.

 

Im not seeing it on both sides. La Raza is a hispanic supremacy group, they have been here for decades.

 

Americans focus on Presidential elections. Once Texas goes blue in one of those tensions are going to ratchet up, because they know what it means.

 

This 'ever vigilant' approach has gone way beyond whatever good intentions there once may have been. Now anyone who disagrees with a 'progressive' is a racist, fascist, Nazi, a Hitler, and so on. And, like AOC, it just comes naturally now, with no thought given to the consequences these charges might bring. When you get leftists charging each other with 'racism' then you know the game its reached critical mass. Of course the Democratic Black Caucus, now feeling ignored, will offer their critical input also. https://bongino.com/whoa-black-cauc...upporting-pac-of-trying-to-unseat-black-reps/

 

Yeah, I haven't see any Latino militants yet. I'm sure they're out there.

Seen plenty of Anglo militants though, and I know plenty of people who sympathize with them.

 

Where do you find this "American racism being displayed so prominently.. America is not a racist country. You must have not traveled much.

 

Some were just arrested in Phoenix.




https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-arrested-friday-ice-raid-protest/1723796001/

 

What you're saying doesn't mean anything. I'm telling you, Americans aren't going to care until they see those Electoral votes go blue.

 

I did it that way until college..