Putin Won't have it! WW2 was Wests' fault. Hitler was created and pushed to attack Russia.

Aha, maybe because of the fact that Goebbels considered USSR as an allie the Soviets have not been invited to Munchen in 1938. But the "enemies" from the UK and France have been...

 

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. After the Soviet Union collapsed , they were promised that NATO wouldn’t expand past a unified Germany. Six years later Poland joined NATO. I don’t blame Poland for wanting to be apart of NATO considering their shared history with Russia, and the Russian reaction shouldn’t have come as a surprise. NATO should have accepted Russia when they offered to join, and we wouldn’t be where we are at today.

 

What a nonsense! The war started with the attack of German army on Poland on the first of september 1939. Stalin had nothing to do with this attack.

 

Stalin invaded Poland, just like the Germans.

 

Total BS. Look how much military forces were concentrated on the East front and how much military forces were concentrated in Africa, Italy etc..As for the lend lease, the contribution of the military equipment was from 12% for tanks to something around 14% for the airplanes from what was produced in the USSR. So it helped , but did not save the Soviet Union.

 

It was later, not on 1 of September.

 

Wow,
that what happens when the wrong ones write history books.
The day Hitler invaded Poland from one side, Stalin did the same at the other end. Exactly that happened, nothing more, nothing less.
Reg.

 

True, but that doesn’t absolve the Soviets of their own aggression, and their pact with Germany.

 

Okay... so some guy gets shot in the Balkans and Germany invades France and Belgium.
Makes sense.

 

Sorry the addition of the US marine corps, the US Navy, the Allied forces in Africa and the commonwealth fighters from the pacific would have made short work of the Germans even without the Russians

Off and the stuff we lend leased to the Russians was better than what they produced.
We owe the Russians absolute zero for ww2.

 

France had a treaty with Russia. Germany had a treaty with Austro-Hungary, and Russia had a a treaty with Serbia. The U.K. had a treaty with Belgium.

 

And Germany invades France and Belgium.
No need for that, was there? And the wanton
destruction of so many people and culture.

 

Yeah, and Germany still didn’t start WW1.

 

Uh no it doesn't "burn my ass".....that the Sovs did....most of the "legwork".....since they had millions of pairs of legs to toss on the fire.

25 million is a rough estimate....probably 30 or more. The Sovs took a bigger pounding driving the Krauts out than retreating earlier.

US bombers didn't have the range even if they wanted too???? LOL....too funny.....what was Dresden Germany in Feb45?? Or check out Operation Tidal Wave on wiki.....where US Liberator B24s conducted a bombing mission on Ploesti Romania oilfield in August 1943. Then come back and talk to me about "Range".
Yeah I can respect.....but that's a 2 way street. In the case of the Sovs it's a one way.....their way.

 

Yes it was later.....after the Germans already occupied Warsaw and Poland was under 100% control of the Germans.

 

Actually it was Winston Churchill who convinced Roosevelt to start the lend lease to help the people in Leningrad who were under siege and starving. This is why most of the help went towards food and trucks to deliver the food from the ports in the Far East and Iran.

As for helping the Nazis, people only knew what the Soviets did, since 2 million had run out after the revolution. To them the Nazis were looked on as a positive force combatting communism. What they observed later proved that Nazism was anything but a positive force.

 

600,000 marines served in the Pacific theater.
Add in a million Australians
Add in 3 carrier battle groups
A fleet of battleships
Lots of army air corps and us marine fighter squadrons
And twice the amount of supplies coming into England.

Just the additional logistics added by not hsving to supply the Pacific theater would have overwhelmed the Germans.

Hell the first 6 months we would have sunk all their uboats.
In the same time out additional air power would have secured air supremacy

And so on and so on
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We can argue till the cows come home as to who "started" WW1
But as to who took advantage of the chaos there is no doubt - Germany.

 

The US gave up nothing, because those countries weren't our - yet! Actually the American people didn't want to go to war, and they were only forced into it with Pearl Harbor. Japan was allied with Germany, and as far as I know, Hitler was furious with Japan because the last thing he wanted was to be fighting the Soviets in the East, and the Americans in the West.

Hitler was also furious with Mussolini for attacking Greece, since the Italians were defeated and Hitler had to divert his troops to help Mussolini save face. This delayed the invasion and the Germans ended up facing the Russian winter.

 

I don’t cut any slack for the Germans. You’ll have to remember that ol Wilhelm was related to the British monarchs, just like the Czar. I view ww1 as a colossal waste of life , all because a bunch of inbred royals wanted to play with their new, and modern war toys. That still doesn’t erase the chain of events that led up to ww2. If Germany wasn’t unfairly punished for the ww1, there would have never been a ww2, or Hitler. So the vanquished share just as much responsibly as the victors for the tragedy that was WW2.

 

The Versailles Treaty was one of the causes, and the other was the climate since I read that the main cause of the depression was the farm failures in Germany.

 

Yes and no. The Versailles Treaty was long gone by 1939.
What drove Germany to war was Nazi ideology. We all
understand what brought Nazis to power - depression,
humiliation etc. but ultimately it was the Nazi party that
wanted to fight, not just England and France, but Poland,
Russia, Jews etc..

 

Two amazing things about those carriers.
At one stage there was just ONE operational carrier - the Enterprise
But at the end of the war America had 34 of them.

 

True, but what did the Nazis have to run on? What was their main talking points that helped them gain enough traction to size power?
Anti-Semitism, and ww1.

 

On 1941 we had 3. The Yorktown, Lexington and Enterprise

Lexington was sunk at the Coral Sea and the Yorktown was badly damaged then Scuttled at Midway.