Putin's Visit To Saudi Arabia - Hey, what's Going On Here?

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Of course there were.. Early on non sectarian Syrians were banded together fighting Assad. It wasn't a religious uprising. Later when ISIS came in it became a "holy war" or some such crap.

    The first U.S. troops arrived in Syria under the Obama administration in Oct. 2015 to push back ISIS.

    Sep 02, 2016 · The initial slogans used by anti-Assad demonstrators were not sectarian, but that all changed after the anti-Assad armed struggle was taken over by jihadists and Salafists. Turkey and Qatar, both of which supported the Brotherhood’s exiled leaders, began funneling arms to the groups with the strongest commitment to a sectarian anti-Shiite and anti-Alawite viewpoint.
     
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    Sanctions put on Iran with world cooperation before the JCPOA should tell the Iranian people their country is controlled by rulers unacceptable to much of the world.
    Well, not so good, really.

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    Wishful thinking.
     
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    ... right ... :cool:

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/obama-admin-paid-iran-1-7-billion-taxpayer-funds/
     
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    Well they do butcher / mangle the Russian National Anthem
    as though they never heard it before.

    This might have been less offensive if played, on key



    Seriously one of my fav performances of this piece.
    Especially some Russians deciding to stand, and some remain seated.




    Recommend other performances on Alexey Karabanov channel.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC03XkSVR-LV64OBrcKnB0mw
     
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    1) The protest movement was not a religious uprising - That movement however was quickly taken over by "hard line Islamists" who were telling Christians to either join the protest movement or leave the country - followed by numerous attacks on Christians - as proven to you previously by various links.

    2) After (1) it was a predominantly religious movement - a "Holy Jihad" against secularism - with the goal of transforming Syria in to an Islamic State .. which is exactly what these so called "Moderates" did. all which has been proven to you via numerous links.

    3) The idea that Al Qaeda/ Al Nusra were not radical Islamist Jihadists - fighting for the stated religious ideology - to turn bring Islamic Law to Syria .. is preposterous nonsense ... as was the case with the hundreds other groups of the Same Salafi Al Qaeda Jihadist ilk.

    We know this because it was these groups - along with foreign holy Jihadists - that coalesced to form an Islamic State.

    It was a holy war long before the Islamic State was formed - which happened in 2013.


    What do a few US troops showing up in Oct 2015 - have to do with the fact that we armed and supported the Islamist Jihadist Proxy army - for 4 years prior ?

    You then talk about the initial protest movement again ... as if this has not already been explained to you umpteen times before ... yet write post after post pretending you have not been told this information.
     
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    1- The problem is that the things that make Iran's rulers "unacceptable" isn't what people in Iran find 'unacceptable' -- even those who might not otherwise be entirely happy with their 'rulers'.
    2- Iran's economy did take a hit after sanctions were re-imposed, but we are talking about measures imposed against Iran which would have totally sunk any other economy. That certainly didn't happen in Iran, where after a short period of panic, Iran's currency has begun to rise in value by 40% and Iran's stock market is out performing those who sanctioned Iran!
    3- Whether Rouhani was engaged in wishful thinking or not, that isn't something that is discredited by your graph -- but the opposite. Look carefully at the direction of your own graph and where it suggests things are heading next year (2020).
     
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    Obama released their money to them.
    Giving them their own money is not a gift.
     
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    The Kurds have nothing to do with the fact that we armed the radical Islamist rebel opposition. The Kurds were not part of this group.

    Yet another attempt to deflect from reality - moving the goal posts to another stadium far away from reality - in a different time period.
     
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    At the beginning the Syrian people were demanding more rights, and the various Sunni groups were fighting Assad. There were almost a hundred of them, and thanks to Lavrov's diplomacy he managed to get them to reconcile with the Assad government. Quite a few times he almost achieved peace in Syria with Kerry, but Obama would always ruin it. This why he said Kerry is a good man, but Obama is evil.

    Later on the others who had joined the jihadists found out what life was like under them, and joined Assad's government after they were freed.

    Right now in Syria they are working on a very delicate peace deal, this is why Russia was quite upset with Turkey's invasion.

    One has to wonder if Turkey invaded deliberately knowing that with the ongoing peace talks, they wouldn't gain everything they had planned on gaining. So they decided to throw a knot into it by releasing ISIS - once again.
     
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    Imposing religious BS on people is evil stuff.
    The jury is out on Iran's ability to effectively participate in the world economy under the circumstances.
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    It's heading toward zero growth.
     
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    I think you have it backwards. One source of friction is Israel's threats against Iran's presence in Syria, which the Russians were merely appeasing in the beginning and which they slowly began to even assist.

    But that is not the only source. Although Iran and Russia should work together, and Iran in particular would like to have Russia on its side, the Russians appear to imagine that becoming friends with the House of Saud and Netanyahu is the right prescription for finding a firm footing in the Middle East! As though America's problems in the ME aren't connected to those very regimes the Russians are cozying up to and as if it ultimately it makes a difference if it is Putin or Trump or Bush or anyone else who cozies up to that crowd!

    In the meantime, since you like pictures, let me ask which one you think represents Assad and his thinking better?
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    Fourth Division Commander Maher Al-Assad, loyal to Iran (right) and Fifth Brigade Commander Suheil Al-Hassan, loyal to Russia (left)

    p.s.
    Don't imagine even for a second that an incompetent officer like Al-Hassan is in charge of anything in Syria because of anything but his loyalty to Russia. The 4th division, on the other hand, is the Syrian army's most capable fighting force. And not surprisingly, since they are also the ones closest to Iran's IRGC.
    https://syrianobserver.com/EN/features/51330/will-russia-resort-to-maher-al-assad.html
    Will Russia Resort to Maher al-Assad?
    Wednesday June 26th, 2019 by Baladi News
     
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    tomato.... tomatoe
     
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    1- If Iran was sanctioned for "imposing religious BS on people", and not for anything else (e.g., nuclear program or missiles etc), you might find more sympathy for those sanctions.
    2- The graph and its direction speaks for itself. In the meantime, that is just a projection. We have to wait and see what the actual numbers show.
     
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    How funny! The liberals on one side seated, and the others are on the other side standing. I love the conductors mustache. It represents the Tsar's era.

    I know I'm off the subject but my favorite is the Russian march 'The Holy War'. It's mournful and very representative of a giant and burdened atheist society having to fight to preserve their land. When that's being played, everyone stands.

    In contrast to the sadness of the USSR march, the Prussian marches are full of spirit as they go out to conquer the world. What a difference! Music does reflect a culture and it does arouse people. I noticed that with the beautiful Muslim chants, and the affect they have on people.
     
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    Sure.. Its Obama's fault that 6 million Syrians fled the country after Assad dropped over 4,000 barrel bombs on them.

    Assad is a butcher just like his father. There's no sugar coating it.
     
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    Yes there are purple tomatoes..
     
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    I don't know of any tomatoes that are described as such.
     
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    It was PINK... and I already had the last word
     
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    Thank you for your response.

    I've been under the impression that this axis of resistance was intended to unite Muslims in a sort of cold war against Western hegemony. How does Russia fit into this plan? Is Russia seen as anti-US in this matter?

    Also, the axis seems split along the old Shia and Sunni divide. Is that intentional or just an unsolvable issue within Islam?
     
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    The war began in early 2011 when Assad arrested the schoolboys.
     
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    Why is that did you die?
     
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    It is an unsolvable issue since the death of Muhammad...
     

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