Putting an end to an ubiquitous meme from Trump loyalists

It has been asserted hundreds of times by occupants of Trumpworld........the collusion hoax. It comes up in all manner of contexts. Most recently as a way to dismiss the 1/6 committee's work. Let's see what the facts say.

Manafort conspired with Kilimnik to give the Kremlin internal polling data. US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016
Polling data that could have been useful for Putin in targeting Americans with the social media campaign he used to help Don get elected.

Russian fake accounts showed posts to 126 million Facebook users
Executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google will all be appearing before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism on Tuesday.
www.usatoday.com

Donnie J entered in to a conspiracy with Russians to obtain dirt on Hillary he was told was in the possession of the Russian government. Mueller Confirms: Don Jr. Was Too Stupid to Collude

Those two incidents alone prove a conspiracy.

There's this.. FBI documents reveal communication between Stone, Assange

Which coincides with this...https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/12/trump-had-call-with-roger-stone-about-wikileaks-rick-gates-says.html

Not to mention this...............Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”
and this.......A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?
and this in regard to the evidence Trump obstructed Mueller's investigation. Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map
and this......

Hundreds of former prosecutors say Trump would have been indicted if he were not president

President Donald Trump would have been indicted for obstruction of justice in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation if he did not hold the nation's highest office, nearly 700 former federal prosecutors argued in an open letter published on Medium on Monday.

The ex-prosecutors — who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations dating back to President Dwight D. Eisenhower — said Attorney General William Barr's decision not to charge Trump with obstruction "runs counter to logic and our experience."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ay-trump-would-have-been-indicted-if-n1002436

All of which creates, for Trump's minions, the same level of cognitive dissonance Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony has created. Shattering the duplicitous narrative right wing media has pushed from the beginning about the events surrounding 1/6.

It's why The Following will employ every tool for denial, deflection, and of course gratuitous insults (their stock and trade) in response to this thread.

 

lee, we will never stop hearing the "russia russia russia" bleats of trump's flock. thet are like children with fingers in their ears going "lalalalala" so they don't have to actually read the muller report or the senate report.

 

Understood. But every time they do that I'm going to make reference to this thread and challenge them to refute the facts. I invite you and the other progressives on the board to do the same.

 

If Trump was guilty of being a Russian spy why wasn’t he prosecuted and imprisoned for being a Russian spy? It was so obvious oooh oooh. Facebook posts changed the election. Did the article mention all the pro-Hillary Facebook ads?? Whatever. Leftists will ride this horse until they die. On their gravestones, it’ll say Russia Russia Russia

 

Hmmmm, no facts refuted by this poster , just more Trumpian LALALALALA.

 

It's a pattern.

 

This topic has been discussed 100x. There is no new info or revelations. So what is there to refute AGAIN. There is zero evidence FB changed a single vote. No evidence Russia directly worked with Trump for anything. In the 4 years, Russia received NOTHING positive from us. No special treatment. Nothing to indicate any sort of alliance. There are no records of Trump receiving anything from them as well. He said she said is not evidence.

You people are nutz for continuing this over and over again!!

 

Hmmmm, no facts refuted by this poster , just more Trumpian LALALALALA.

 

It's a pattern.

 

Comments?

“We believe strongly that, but for the OLC memo, the overwhelming weight of professional judgment would come down in favor of prosecution for the conduct outlined in the Mueller Report," the letter continued.

Mueller's report did not say that Trump would have been charged had he not been the president, but it did cite the longstanding opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel that says a sitting president cannot be indicted. Mueller said that his team "accepted OLC's legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction."

The Mueller report, which identified 10 episodes that could be considered potential obstruction of justice, did not come to a conclusion on whether to charge the president. Barr, in a letter to Congress sent before the redacted report was made public, said that he had decided that Trump did not obstruct the probe. Barr said they didn't amount to illegal activity by the president and that he disagreed with some of Mueller's legal theories on whether those episodes amounted to obstruction "as a matter of law."

 

Atwater...
Reminds me of 5 o'clock Charlie- the crazy N. Korean pilot in the MASH series, who came by every Friday at 5 to drop one little bomb on them but always missed, never hit the target.

But Charlie only came once a week; Atwater tries to bomb Trump and the conservatives several times a day, and still always misses. Must be frustrating.

 

The pursuit of justice requires persistence and can be frustrating. Of course, the criminal will line up his allies and dupes to frustrate justice. And the allies and dupes will do their best to proclaim their icon’s innocence right up to the end. But in the end, justice will prevail. It’s the American way.

 

Heres a fact you can't refute.
50 Forensic FBI agents, two dozen CIA officials, 14 top Democrat lawyers, 2500 witnesses, and millions of subpoenaed documents came to the conclusion.
(And I am quoting Mueller here)
The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

And not one single instance from this 3 years investigation, 17 intelligence agencies, or the Mueller report produced a single document or claim in any impeachment attempt.

Hows that.

 

Sadly- it appears that is was the American way, but that is not what we're seeing now. The trick to keeping a nation sound and free is to do that with consistency, not by acting stupidly until people are building guillotines.

Every smart parent knows that you can't have rubber rules for little things and expect the rules for big things to be seen differently. Character is an internal value, and if it's situationally flexible- you don't have it al all.

 

sorry, jack, but this is not a movie. trump is going to get away with this rico and criminal conspiracy and will be back for a sequel.

 

Well I agree with you 100%, there's not much we can do about ignorance and cognitive dissonance which spreads across the land like a disease.

And even if they understand what you're saying and secretly agree with it outwardly they will not and lie because they have to in order to forward the right wing agenda, or at least that has been my experience with most on the right-- there are a few exceptions but very few.

And if anybody wants to dispute this point with me just know that it's my own opinion based on empirical observation on forums such as this one. I can't prove anyone knows this secretly while outwardly lying but I do suspect it

Oh and on the point of polling data you should make sure you mention that was proprietary polling data which is not publicly available data which they, as you have stated, use to channel their resources directly to the demographics which would best result in anti-hillary and pro Trump fake advertisements fake news Etc.

If this isn't collusion then I don't know what is I think Mueller might have missed this point or the fact became public knowledge after the report came out. and for those who make the claim that what manafort did with the Russians was not known to Trump it is my opinion you'd have to be a moron to make such a claim

 

Will do thanks for the Post

 

How's this..
That was before the fact that manafort colluded with a Russian spy became publicly known information. In an effort which requires thousands of stones to turn over it's not a stretch to know that a group of people can miss one of them which inadvertently happened to be the most important one of them all

As for your allegation what Mueller established was that he believed he could not prove to a legal standard there was a conspiracy. I don't think he ever said there wasn't one, but had he uncovered the above stated fact the Mueller report might have come to a different conclusion. I should think it would have.

That's how.

 

Yep. Very much like the 1/6 hearings. They aren't watching them or educating themselves on what has been presented but jump right into the conversations here. It's frustrating, but not surprising.

 

Only problem is, nothing stops anyone from formal charges or indictments for finding out information after the Mueller report.
And there are no charges or sealed indictments for anything you claim
You you theory dies right there.

 

I have mostly heard "Russia, Russia, Russia" from democrats. Republicans rarely talk about Trump.

 

I have watched parts of it. I am waiting for when they cross examine the witnesses.

 

It's fully explained in The Despot's Apprentice, 2017 book. It's a good read and it explains the Trump supporter extremely well.

 

I think your wait will be a long one. Are you under the impression that this is a court trial? And if the Republicans who have already testified were cross examined, what do you think would change. Rusty Bowers, for example? Or the acting AG or Dep AG?

 

How about the anti Trump witnesses?
They do it in a court to insure fairness. If they don't want a fair unbiased investigation, they can skip the cross examination.