For those who believe there arent differences between men and women: can you explain the porn gap? Men are by far more interested in porn than women, even though every 'type' of porn is equally available to both genders. While women enjoying porn is slowly becoming more common, its still far less than men and men are far more likely to view porn habitually. https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-porn...es-in-pornography-use-in-couple-relationships It seems to me this would indicate a common difference in the 'wiring', as it were, between the male and female brain. Tendencies toward different priorities and perceptions. As prime example: I think its evidence that women tend to more highly value an emotional connection, especially regarding sex, than men. Also, Im not suggesting this is some basis to subvert the women's rights movement (I only put it in the Women's Rights section because there isn't a 'Gender Studies' or w/e section). I support equal rights for all. However I think ignoring obvious biological/neurological trends between the sexes ignores important dynamics that must be considered for equality to exist. IOW, if we're different, understanding those differences will go farther than ignoring them.
Does anyone claim there are no differences? I certainly argue against those who act as if there are unconditional and complete differences rather than the reality of widely varying trends and commonalities but I’ve never seen anyone claim zero difference at all. Note that is different to saying individuals should be treated the same pending any specific information relevant to them. I wonder whether that suggests a significant social factor rather than a purely psychological/physiological one? I also think there is an issue here of the definition of “pornography” and the distinction between it and any other chosen form of personal sexual stimulation. There will still be different trends of behaviour between men and women on that basis but I don’t think the reality is as stark as the simple question of “using or not using pornography” would suggest (or dare I say, is being intentionally used to suggest). For example, would erotic fiction be counted as pornography? Different people would probably give different answers to that. Tendencies, sure. The fact remains that a significant number of women will consume porn in the way men are expected to (and possibly more than would admit it, even on a nominally private survey) and a significant number of men won’t consume porn in the way they’re expected to. I think the core issue here is those expectations rather than the actual different behaviours. Assuming them would be at least as bad as ignoring them though. Tendencies among your gender isn’t a valid justification for presuming anything about you as an individual. That is the key (and often missed) point.
I have long considered romance books, women's magazines and celebrity news, a female's version of "porn" they seem top fill the same need as photos of nekkid women do for men.
I think you are working off a false premise. Setting aside trans issues for the sake of the discussion, most of what I hear in way of not having differences is more on opportunity and a lack of prejudgment. While we can indeed measure and mark trends that favor one sex over the other, we should never assume that any one individual of the "weaker" sex , for a given particular thing, actually falls under that trend. For example, women are typically weaker then men, especially in upper body strength. But when looking to hire someone for a position where high upper body strength is needed, we should not assume that the woman applying for that position doesn't have the needed upper body strength, or that the man applying for the same position does. That is the equality and lack of difference that is talked about and sought after. That your sex is not a factor in the law or making such determinations.
OP is addressed to folks who suggest theres no differences b/n men and woman. It doesnt seem you are one of those people. And I agree: everyone should be treated as an individual. Assumptions are lazy and often rude.
A friend who is a lawyer in the entertainment business told me that women on the average are paid far better than their male peers.
My friend would say they don't what they are talking about. One of her clients made $18K in her first ten days and during the years she was in the business cleared 250K annually.
And we need to be tolerant of others, and not vandalize those with other views: CANADA: Women-Only Rape-Relief Shelter Defunded, Then Vandalized. By transgender activists.
The 'side benefits' of the job are worth far more to most men than to most women. Most men don't need much compensation to have NSA sex with attractive women...
It seems to me that some House Dems are nuts BECAUSE LETTING MEN INTO BATTERED-WOMEN’S SHELTERS IS A PHENOMENAL IDEA: House Democrats will consider bill to block HUD rule allowing anti-trans shelter discrimination.
Wow. Way to address absolutely nothing I said. I did note trans issues aside. But since you brought it up, shelters, as well as sports, is one of the few areas where one's trans status may be problematic. Now I've already mentioned the solution to sports elsewhere. For shelters, we're looking at a double edged sword. On the one side, trauma is not rational. A cis woman seeing a pro op trans woman could be legitimately afraid. Likewise a trans man, pre or post op. But trans women (really trans in general you only brought up women's shelters) are just as likely, if not more so, to be abused and need a shelter as well. So no matter which way we look at it, we endanger one to safeguard the other.
You are pretending that a Black and White issue is filled with paralyzing grays. Crazed Democrat leftists in Pelosi's Congress are fighting to continue forcing battered women's shelters to house biological men who declare themselves to be women. One of the Left's haters of battered women in Pelosi's Congress Trump's Administration, while deeply sensitive to the needs of Trans, knows that sensible Trans are also deeply sensitive to the needs of women who have been brutalized by biological men. These batter women shelters are run as safe places where they can heal and grow, learning the skills they need to resume whole lives. In 2016, as the petulant Obama was illegally spying on Trump and preparing to exit the WH at the end of two terms, he decided that battered women would best be served by forcing shelters to admit biological males in order to receive HUD funding. The Trump Administration is sensibly resetting the rules to those that were in force in Obama's first 7+ years.
The link indicates that there are many studies to support its view on this matter. However, it fails to list those purported studies. I suggest this report is seriously flawed because real studies on the subject show women are just as aroused as are men: https://tinyurl.com/y6qy7kho
Not so. When I worked for the IRS, we conducted audits of porn stars and strippers. We found that female stars of these industries earned FAR more than did men especially when it came to tips. Strangely enough, male stars who danced in front of female audiences were, at times, not tipped for their performances.
No you are trying to address a completely different issue than what is being discussed. Strawmen and red herrings. That is not to say what you brought up is without merit and worth discussion. But it is still the topic for another thread, not fodder to thread jack this one.
Arousal isn't the metric. Using porn for pleasure is. Men and women may experience the same arousal from porn, but men are far more likely to actively view porn for pleasure, to seek it out.
heres one: https://time.com/9051/this-survey-shows-how-men-and-women-view-porn-differently/ what you got? (i cant get ur tinyurl link to work)
In a way you are probably both right - depends on what you are measuring. Women earn more per scene, but there are a lot more women in porn and they tend to have shorter careers than men. Men who can perform reliably may get paid less per scene, but can earn more over time due to less competition for roles. it also sounds like the sort of money you are talking about was pre-free internet porn sites, which have unsurprisingly done the industry no favours. https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/porn-industry-gender-pay-gap
You are not talking about the same facts though. He is looking at a report that says (numbers made up for example's sake) out of 100 people surveyed 50 men and 25 women enjoyed porn. You are looking at one that says all 75 enjoyed it pretty much equally. That women enjoyed the porn as much as the men has no bearing on the fact that more men than women enjoy porn within the general population.
