Question for Holocaust Deniers

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They claim Auschwitz was just a big work camp.

    Housing tens of thousands of innocent political prisoners, to do work for the Nazi war machine.

    Well, if Auschwitz was just a "work camp", why did it need 52 cremation ovens, capable of disposing of more than 2,000 bodies a day???

    What kind of "work camp" requires such a disposal capacity???

    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/


    did the Japanese detention camps in the USA during WW2 have such a disposal capacity? and why not?

    The highest number of registered prisoners at Auschwitz was 92,000 in the summer of 1944. The ovens there would have been able to burn more than half of them within a month.

    Wow, that's some fascinating "work camp". Literally working their workers to death.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The largest concentration camp for the Japanese in the USA during WW2 was Manzanar.

    It operated for 2 years.

    There were deaths there. A grand total of 150.

    Funny how Auschwitz had SOOOOO many more deaths. And was built with the capacity to cremate at least 2,000 people per day.

    hmm....
     
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    The research has got me wondering.

    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
    (post #2)


    This may be our last chance to look at this research so watch it while you can.
    https://www.pcmag.com/news/368804/youtube-to-delete-neo-nazi-white-supremacist-videos

    The powers that be are associating white supremacist stuff with Holocaust research although they don't even belong in the same category. The truth does not fear investigation.


    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...olocaust+Denying+Grandma+Locked+Up+In+Germany
     
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    so you have NO answer to my question as to why Auschwitz was prepared and built to cremate 720,000 bodies a year.

    figures....
     
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    How do you know your info isn't bogus? It might be damage-control written by sophists.

    This source said that the facilities they had couldn't have disposed of that many bodies and I don't simply take it as fact.

    Auschwitz Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth HD
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWhyTheGasChambersAreAMythHD


    It just makes me question the official story. As I've said before, a sincere truth-seeker has neither a naive willingness to believe, nor an a priori incredulity. You people who maintain that the official story is true have a naive willingness to believe when you read something that supports the official story and an a priori incredulity when you read something that contradicts the official story.


    Here's a good summary of the big picture.
    http://nazigassings.com/

    It seems to make sense and after looking at the info I can't simply accept the official story. I haven't formed a firm opinion yet but I'd bet there were no gas chambers in the camps.
     
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    I cannot answer for why certain people feel the holocaust was a myth. But one thing that is for certain is how these people are all right wingers. That truth is undeniable.
     
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    Re:
    What silly speculation.

    Firstly, there was never enough coal/coke delivered to Auschwitz to cremate anywhere near that number.

    Secondly, it took 4 hours to cremate one body so each oven could only cremate 8 people per day if it were in use 24 hours (another impossibility). Therefore the maximum, impossible capacity is closer to 416 per day.

    Finally, my car has the "capacity" to go 140 mph, however that doesn't mean that I have driven it 140 mph or will.

    If you wanted to discuss the holocaust enough to start a whole thread on it, why won't you respond to the 3 questions I posed in a related thread, Post #524:

    "About the Holocaust"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-21
     
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    lol!!!!

    #1. the coke delivery records to Auschwitz are incomplete.

    #2. It did not take 4 hours to cremate a body at Auschwitz. You're comparing humane, respectful cremation policies in the modern West, to the Nazis, which is kinda sad and silly. Plus the ovens were used to cremate multiple bodies at a time.

    At Birkenau, there is eye-witness testimony that 2,500 bodies a day were cremated and multiple bodies cremated in the same overn at the same time:

    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab4-civilian-ovens-comparison/

    We also know from eye-witness testimony that coke was not used for the entire cremation process, only to light the fires. Human fat, wood, straw was often used to maintain the fires.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/4fCbQwx

    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab7-coke-coal-cremation/

    Its funny how folks argue that the Nazis MUST have used caring, respectful cremation practises to cremate the bodies of people (one at a time) whom they considered to be sub-human and enemies of the state.

    LOL!!!!

    and yet, you still haven't answered WHY the Nazis felt the need to install sooo many cremation ovens at a "work camp".

    No such facilities existed at the US detention facilities for the Japanese.

    or the detention facilities for Jews on Cyprus.

    I wonder why.
     
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    Topf & Sons, the designers and manufacturers of the Auschwitz cremation ovens, also gave the Nazis suggestions as how they could maximize the efficiency of the ovens:

    Additional instructions in September 1941 from Topf & Sons (the designers and manufacturers of the ovens) advised that “once the cremation chamber has been brought to a good red heat the bodies can be introduced one after the other in the cremation chambers.” This letter cautioned against letting the ovens cool down.[9]

    The instructions from Topf & Sons for their double muffle furnaces suggested that a body might be added to the oven during the last 20 minutes of the prior cremation. That is, a body could be added to the oven before the last body was fully cremated. The instructions say: “As soon as the remains of the bodies have fallen from the chamotte grid to the ash collection channel below, they should be pulled forward towards the ash removal door, using the scraper. Here they can be left for a further twenty minutes to be fully consumed . . . In the meantime, further bodies can be introduced one after the other into the chambers.”[10] According to Topf’s calculations, this would result in a 25-minute burning cycle for each body

    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab4-civilian-ovens-comparison/
     
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    There is also a memo from the designer of the Auschwitz ovens, stating that cremation capacity of 2,650 bodies per day was possible. However the Nazi said even this capacity would not be sufficient.





    The document transcribed and translated below has been provided to The Holocaust History Project by Dr. Bernhard Post of the Thüringisches Hauptstaatsarchiv in Germany. It has only recently become available.

    It is an internal memo by Kurt Prüfer, an employee of Topf and Sons, a company that built cremation furnaces. Prüfer was the builder of the Auschwitz cremation furnaces. In this memo, which is labeled "secret" and "confidential", Prüfer recounts a conversation he just had with First Lieutenant Krone of the Works and Buildings Section of the Economics and Administration Department (Wirtschafts- und Verwaltungshauptamt, commonly referred to as WVHA) about Auschwitz's cremation needs.

    Krone has informed Prüfer that he has met with Brigadier General Kammler (misspelled in the memo as Kämmer), who headed the Works and Buildings Section of WVHA. Kammler is well known in Holocaust historiography as the recipient of a letter dated January 29, 1943 from the head of the Auschwitz Central Construction Agency stating that there was a "gassing cellar" in a building known as "Crematoria II" in Auschwitz.

    Prüfer relates that he has told Krone, who has just returned from Auschwitz, that the camp can be provided with enough cremation muffles to bring the cremation capacity up to 2650 per day, or 80,000 per month. However, Prüfer notes:
    "Mr. K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible."

    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
     
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    Noam Chomsky, Faurisson et al are "right wingers"?
     
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    Haven't we gone over this enough times?

    Chomsky called the holocaust the worse example of human insanity. Like most open minded people he called for the protection of Faurisson's right of free speech. OK, one last time:

    https://www.jochnowitz.net/Essays/ExtremistPolReg.html



    Please, please, READ it so that this can settle any doubts in your mind. Note that the article is not flattering towards Chomsky.
     
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    Chomsky is a notorious Holocaust denier - an apologist for genocide. Deborah Lipstadt outed Chomsky. And I am sure you know that Lipstadt, unlike Chomsky, tells the truth.
     
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    Great research. Ty for the link.
     
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    Noam Chomsky denies the Holocaust?

    I highly doubt that
     
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    I utterly detest Chomsky, but I'm unaware that he is a Holocaust denier.

    In some ways he did something worse, he denied the Cambodian genocide while it was going on and attacked those who were trying to expose it. At no point did he accept responsibility for his actions. So, morally he is 100% capable of Holocaust denial, but I'm yet to see evidence that he has done it.
     
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    I searched around and found this. I haven't watched it yet.

    05. Chomsky and Holocaust Denial



    Chomsky says some strange things sometimes that he obviously doesn't even believe himself. We all know about his stand on 9/11 and Kennedy.

    The Shame of Noam Chomsky & left gatekeepers: Zwicker (#3



    Some people think he's a sleeper shill but I'd bet that, back in the sixties, some government goons paid him a visit and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Check out what he says about Libya and Gaddafi here.

    Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky - DiText
    www.ditext.com/chomsky/power.pdf
    (excerpt)
    -----------------------------------------
    Well, because from the very first minute that the Reagan administration
    came into office, it immediately selected Libya as a punching bag.12 And
    there were very good reasons for that: Libya's defenseless, Qaddafi is sort
    of hateful and kind of a thug-a very small-time thug, I might say, but nevertheless
    a thug-and he's also an Arab, and there's a lot of anti-Arab racism
    around.13 And the Reagan administration needed to create fear: it had to
    mobilize the population to do things they didn't want to do, like support a
    massive increase in military spending.
    -----------------------------------------

    I was a little surprised when I read this. I expected Chomsky to talk about how the western imperialists used to exploit Libya and steal its oil before Qaddafi put a stop to it.

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Qaddafi_NWO.html
    (excerpt)
    --------------------------------------
    From 1911 to 1932, the country underwent a harrowing and unsuccessful war of national liberation against its Italian colonizers in which over a million Libyans lost their lives. After World War Il, the country was held "in trusteeship" by massive US and British military presence. Wheehus Air Base, near the ancient capital of Tripoli, became one of the largest US military installations in the world. The Semlssi royal family was kept in power, its readiness to serve imperial interests guaranteeing its position.

    --------------------------------------

    http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/03/intervention-and-exploitation-us-and-uk.html
    (excerpts)
    ---------------------------
    Concessions on oil extraction is granted to two US oil companies. More companies would follow later.
    ---------------------------
    1961:
    September - With the opening of a 167 km long pipe line, oil exportations start from Libya. US oil companies begin to reap huge profits, as do corrupt Libyan officials. Oil goes on to make a few in Libya very rich, but most of the populus do not benefit and remain poverty stricken. [1] [17]
    Libya increases its share of oil profits from 50% to 70%.
    ---------------------------

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=gaddafi&x=15&y=10


    Chomsky didn't mention any of this. He said this at a time when the US government seemed to be preparing the people for the eventual invasion of Libya to get back the free oil they used to get. Chomsky was probably too famous to simply kill without a million people suspecting the government murdered him. It's possible that they told him that he could talk about certain subjects but they set limits on what he could talk about. Back then it was pretty important for the government that the people think Qaddafi was some kind of nut and they couldn't have someone like Chomsky throwing a monkey wrench into their plan.

    I'd bet Chomsky thinks there were no gas chambers in the camps and that they were slave-labor camps, not death camps*. Some of his earlier works were devastating to the government; I doubt they'd let one of their shills go as far as he went.


    *
    http://nazigassings.com/
    (excerpt)
    ---------------------------------
    There are NO photographs of corpses of Nazi gassing victims. The cheap, dirty trick which really makes the hoax succeed is the wilful misuse of pictures of countless sick and dead in the camps at the end of the war—none of which are of people killed in gas chambers—but which are repeatedly shown to give the false impression that millions of people must have been murdered in gas chambers. There really is no direct connection--but for the more than gullible masses, the connection is “undeniable.” The people who show those pictures are all in on the trick. They all know perfectly well that the pictures are of people who died of other causes such as typhus—but they use the pictures anyway for their powerful psychological effect to precondition their audience for the gassing and mass extermination pitch which inevitably follows. The pictures are irrelevant except for their enormous shock value. Pictures of countless healthy prisoners in the same camps are generally not shown for reasons that are all too obvious. This delibeerate misuse of photographs is rather widespread and illustrates the collective eagerness of many people (the “hoaxers“ or co-conspirators in the hoax), especially in the American media, to throw whatever they can find against the Nazis, SS and Germans generally just like spiteful children. They want to believe in the hoax.
     
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    He does not deny it as shown in the link I provided. Again, note that the link is not flattering towards him.
     
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    Maybe we should be asking Omar. I'm sure she knows the answer.
     
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    So Rep. Omar is suddenly a right winger?


    Violent leftists doing all types of damage control lately.
     
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    I just tell them that, yes it was a work camp (and extermination camp since those that were deemed unsuitable for work were gassed and incinerated upon arrival), just an extended stay extermination camp since so many were either shot or beaten to death while working or died of starvation.
     
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    Utter BS. You know who denies the camps? Socialists. Why? Because it interferes with their ability to control their populations. When you tell socialists they can't have gulags, or camps, they get upset. Last I looked, socialists weren't "right wingers"... Total fail.
     
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    Chomsky aggressively supported Faurisson: "Is it antisemitic to speak of Zionist lies? Is Zionism the first nationalist movement in history not to have concocted lies in its own interest?" Noam Chomsky quoted by Deborah Lipstadt, "Denying the Holocaust", "The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory", p. 16. Chomsky would fit right into the Liberty Lobby.

    Read some of Chomsky's crude sermons to his faithful little band of sycophants. He is the kind of fascist that was common in the 30s. Very few in the "new left" have ever actually a read national socialist screed, so they are surprised when nazis keep popping up in their ranks.
     
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    Re:


    The answer is quite simple in spite of your fake, recently discovered "documents" and hyper inflated burn rate stated by lying "eye witnesses" who differ little from the "eye witnesses" noted below (1).

    The reason for so many ovens was to prevent the worsening of an already typhus epidemic since even Auschwitz's camp physician died of typhus in May of 1942.

    The Auschwitz crematorium served not only Auschwitz 1, Auschwitz 2 and the vast industrial center where artificial rubber was made and coal converted into petroleum but also the neighboring satellite facilities, towns and villages.

    The water table at Auschwitz & the neighboring area was unusually high and prohibited the burying of diseased bodies in the ground so all diseased bodies had to be burned.

    So the reasons for building so many ovens is twofold:
    1. Auschwitz's crematorium served a much larger population than the already large complex itself.
    2. Since no diseased bodies could be buried, the Germans were simply being prepared for pending epidemics


    In spite of the large number of ovens at Auschwitz it is worth noting that Allied air reconnaissance observed no smoke from the Auschwitz crematorium, only a very small supply of coal, no rails from the coal to the crematorium and the coal storage area, itself was far too small to supply 52 ovens in continuous use.

    Now, when are you going to respond to my Post #524 at the related thread?
    It's been at least 5 weeks since you scurried away from the 3 simple questions I posed at:

    "About the Holocaust"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-21






    (1) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED
     
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    Scoundrels always try to cover their ass. Chomsky faced some push back when he embraced Holocaust denial by actively promoting the Holocaust denier Faurisson, even going so far as to write an introduction for his vile book where Faurisson calls the Holocaust a "Zionist lie."

    Chomsky defends Faurisson: "Is it antisemitic to speak of Zionist lies? Is Zionism the first nationalist movement in history not to have concocted lies in its own interest?" Noam Chomsky quoted by Deborah Lipstadt, "Denying the Holocaust", "The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory", p. 16. Chomsky would fit right into the Liberty Lobby.

    The fact that Chomsky is also a denier of the Cambodian genocide. What does it take for people to finally get it when it comes to Noam Chomsky?
     

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