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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Reread my comment, until you achieve an epiphany.

    No way in hell would I even believe that such a long list is 'my own' nor any one with a modicum of grey matter would even think that,

    It's obvious as ****ing hell it was a copy and pasted list, and one in the public domain.

    Public domain items can be quoted without violating copyright laws

    Did you even ****ing read my post?

    Get down off of your ****ling high horse, there is no greater stench than that of self -righteous indignation.
     
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  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh yes, nothing spells 'decency' like overreacting and accusing someone of 'ripping off' when in fact, they did not, given that the material is public domain fact.


    I have quoted THOUSANDS OF SOURCES.

    WTFU.

    Your source is ****.
     
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  3. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    Actually it was you who criticized my proper sourcing of a quote, when all I did was follow the rules of common decency and PF Forum, you know, when you use the work of others, set it off in quotes and attribute it to the source. You seem to find this all quite puzzling. Which is hard to understand, as it's quite simple. When you use the work of others, quote it and attribute it, you know, like I did in the quote you criticized.
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're confused.

    I didn't lecture you on your source, I just gave you the reference that reveals it is unreliable.

    If you can't accept that fact, out of common decency, you should not take it out on me.

    On my posts, pay close attention to precisely my rebuttals to your egregious overreactions.

    "Large volumes of information"

    What, a ****ing list of all the wars?

    That's public domain fact.

    PUBLIC DOMAIN.

    Got it?

    You can't copyright fact. You can't own a list like that, that's completely nuts.

    If you wrote it in some artistic, stylish way, yes, but that is not the case.

    The copyright sign only applies to the author's unique writing.
     
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  5. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    Not that one. Your unattributed post has been deleted so you can rest easy now.
    How would I know? It's your acronym.
    My quote was fabulous, and my attribution a work of art. You should try attributing the work of others, when you use it, as PF and common decency requires. You'll feel much happier!

    You have a brand new fresh start. Make the most of it!
     
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  6. AARguy

    AARguy Well-Known Member

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    I'm no expert on medical care, but I'd like to share some personal experiences.

    When I was stationed in Germany, we had a great old German lady that ran our Officer's Club. She was very obese, had high blood pressure, and various other problems. She went to the socialized medicine system and instead of being put on medication, they sent her to a spa for a weekend. She should have been put on diuretics and more. They just sent her to a spa. She died at the age of 50. Another friend with a similar situation who had the money to pay for his own care, got the proper medication and still survives.

    In 2014 I had a heart attack which resulted in triple bypass surgery. I ended up with some complications while in the hospital including a stroke and the need to have a pacemaker implanted. I worked for a large aerospace company at the time that paid for everything... somewhere in the neighborhood of $500,000. I'm still going strong today. The surgeon who performed the procedure no longer performs surgery. He teaches. He says the money he was paid by Obamacare simply was not enough. So he teaches now.

    The "Obamacare Mandate" when it took effect, required company healthcare programs to provide additional coverages they had been providing. These included maternity care for everyone (including folks in their 50's and 60s) and other unnecessary things. The existing corporate plans had been negotiated over years. Negotiating whole new policies with extraneous coverage required by Obamacare made the new plans unaffordable and coverage was greatly reduced or, more often, cancelled. If my heart attack had happened a couple of years later... I would be dead.

    Yes, this is anecdotal information. But its true.
     
  7. Zorro

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    It's not a fact, it's an opinion.
    Yup, that and PF rules require that you attribute quoted materials to your source, It's fun, it's easy, and you'll feel much better about yourself!
    Oh dear, that's incoherent. Perhaps it would be better if we continued this discussion after you have had an opportunity to calm down.
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'll file that in the wishful thinking file.

    You might want to give the concept of 'overreacting' some meditation.

    ANd while you are at it, study copyright law.

    It's obvious you know nothing about it.

    A list of all the wars, is public domain fact......IF

    it's not written in some clearly unique, artistic/etc., way.....OR

    if the items are not selected from a larger list or the list is not sequentially unique ( as opposed to chronological ) to support an argument.

    I'm a published author, composer, and photographer.

    I have thousands of copyrights. I have sourced thousands of quotes. The © sign doesn't mean squat. What someone quoting another must know is that that which is protected by copyright law, has to be unique, in some way. A long list of wars, which didn't exclude any wars, it listed all of them. Thats a mere fact. A mere fact is public domain. There is nothing particularly unique about the list.

    Please don't lecture me on the subject.

    Thng is, if I remotely believed the source of the list was obscure, in any way, I would have posted the source. THe list was obviously cut and paste, and your kneejerk reaction proved it. It was obvious the source was easily obtainable

    If it was that easy to ascertain, how could someone as myself, an owner of thousands of copyrights, actually believe I would succeed in ripping off someone else? Why would that be my motive?

    It isn't even logical. Though you might want it to be true, it just isn't.

    Tons of posts on this forum haven't sourced their links, and I didn't have a conniption about it, but no, you had to get all ****ing bent out of shape.

    And another thing, the owners of this forum are jittery, they will delete **** that no other forum would ever delete. And I've been on debate forums going back to the 90s.
     
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  9. Zorro

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    Holy Smokes! You went through a LOT and came through it strong. That's amazing.

    I can't think of a better time in history to be alive and our advanced medical is a big part of that. I'm glad to hear you came through all that ok.
     
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  10. Zorro

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    Sure and you're Batman. If you use the work of others, be decent about it and give them proper attribution.
    How about our PF rules, you figure you want to squat over them too?
    But you didn't, and you know full well you should have, and you probably will next time. I get it, I'm bored. Try to move on to something else. You have beat this one to death. We all know that you are wrong, just try to do the right thing the next time.
    I've found them to be perfectly fair. If you have a problem with them, take it up with them and leave me out of it. You are the one that criticized me, when, unlike you, I simply followed the rules.

    I have no interest in your reasons for why you think it is ok to quote others without attribution. I realize that you can go on and on and on and on and on about why you don't have to follow the rules, and frankly I don't find your claims convincing or particularly interesting. And endless repetition of your same points over and over and over and over again doesn't improve them.
     
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  11. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Looks like Obama saved your life.

    Got me a much needed operation, too,, when I first signed up.
     
  12. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Jeezus ****ing keerist , what a sniveling perch you occupy, you should see yourself.

    So, everytime someone fails to source a quote, I want to see you have a self-righteous conniption flying off the handle and accuse them of ripping people off, each and every one from now and into the future.

    Get a ****ing grip. You are ridiculous.
     
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  13. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Quit gaslighting.
     
  14. AARguy

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    My company paid for that $500,000 operation. Obamacare had absolutely nothing to do with it. And that company coverage disappeared when the Obamacare mandate hit. If the heart attack had occurred after the Obamacare mandate hit... I'd be dead.
     
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    Nope it would be nice if you actually understood your subject matter. You could repair virtually every thing you hate about health with one line rule that said any given insurance company may have only one health insurance pool in which all health insurance clients must be placed. The biggest problem with private health insurance state health insurance regulators whose rules essentially demand that every group insurance plan things in their group plans according to the size of the business and further add things like sexual reassignment surgery that are extremely costly and take huge amouts of time. Note that isn't the only thing, just one of the more costly.

    Also while I'm thinking about some of the worst dislocations were created by Obamacare mandates along with some of the greatest dislocations in health care. A bill that was supposedly going to make health insurance cheaper and remove people with no life threatening illnesses from the ER in fact did neither, and made the latter problem worse. The idea that irresponsible people who didn't seekout primary care physicians before they had health insurance would do so after acquiring it proved to be at best chimaerical or an idea from oppositeville take your pick.

    In other words, some where between 50 and 60 percent of health care costs can be laid at the feet of those in state federal and local governments trying to micromanage them.
     
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    Only when the person ripping off the work of others and passing it on as their own, also criticises my sourcing, which, was perfect. The quote was properly set off and properly attributed, just as the source, PF, and common decency demands. You might want to try it sometime rather than criticising others. You'll feel much better about yourself! You'll have a smile on your face, a new bounce in your step and a whole new outlook on life. You have great future ahead of you!
    See, that's that negative energy you are about to get over when you quit passing off the work of others as your own, seize the day!

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, you could have signed up for ACA, and it would have paid for it.

    During ACA, you were not compelled to take employer insurance
     
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    You don't understand. I had the benefit of company coverage for many years and it was great... wonderful... tremendous. I never entertained the thought for a minute to drop it and sign up for Obamacare. That would be like giving up a ribeye dinner for a ham sandwich. Plus I EARNED my company coverage. I had no desire to burden my fellow taxpayers by making HEM pay for MY coverage. There was absolutely no upside in switching to Obamacare... none at all.
     
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    Only citizens can access Public Health. You can't be merely a 'visa holder'.
     
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    Dude, you're as free as any American to buy as much private health insurance as you like in a Public Health system - and likewise to never set foot in a public health facility. You can pay for your private doctors and private hospitals to your heart's content. Once again, you demonstrate a profound ignorance of how Public Health works.
     
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    You can't sneak across the GD border and then get heart surgery or something stupid. I don't even want to deal with your costs for the sniffles.

    Its all a burden cost meant for tax payers.
     
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    Once again, confusion over the reality of modern Public Health. The Govt doesn't pay for your meds, and doctors are PRIVATE PRACTITIONERS.

    Even in a public hospital staffed by public servants, the woman you mention would never have been refused meds if her emergency presentation observations indicated they were necessary. They would have patched her up, and handed her back to a general practitioner for ongoing care.
     
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    That's why it's only available to citizens. There's no way it could be funded if it included anyone who felt like dropping in to abuse it.
     
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    Are you saying that doctors lost their life saving skills under public healthcare?
     
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    I'm a moderate libertarian. Those who make the argument in your OP (and I'm not denying that many, many do) have no idea what they are talking about. This is how all insurance works. The majority pays for the minority . . . you can't have insurance without that assumption.
     
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