Question for the LEFT regarding civil rights leader Kristen Clarke

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  1. Lil Mike

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    Or CNN, or MSMBC, or NBC, or NYT, or WAPO or this white house.

    Remember. It’s NOT racist when Biden says blacks and Hispanics don’t know how to get online and register for a vaccine or vote. But it is racist when Trump calls MS13 murderers and rapists or a virus that originated in a China, a Chinese virus.

    Good show!!! Keep it up:)
     
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    Well, in reference to Melanin, I often ask how a person with higher amounts of Melanin are prone to commit more crime.

    I never get a coherent response to that either.

    Maybe the effects of Melanin are not understood.
     
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    Is it really that simple? Did she say it?

    Tucker is the main player in this story. He is presenting the narrative. The headline the of the like the op provided says: Tucker Carlson Tonight
    Biden pick to head DOJ Civil Rights Division wrote Blacks had 'superior physical and mental abilities'

    The interesting thing about the example is the truth is all there or at least enough of it is there to allow the reader to put it into context. I have always said Tucker is a very intelligent person and knows how to manipulate an audience and get views.
     
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    The question on her statement should be, greater than what?
     
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    Love how they try and spin it. Not true of course. There was no hint of sarcasm in the article that she wrote. Nothing to indicate that she was joking or anything of the sort. And if a white person had wrote it you know damn well it would not be spun and be considered racist.

    Blacks Seek An End to Abuse | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson (thecrimson.com)
     
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    Did you actually bother to read the OP? Suffice it to say anyone who states, in writing, that any one race is superior to any other race is inherently racist.
     
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    I did read the op quite closely. Did you?
     
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    Yes, apparently you missed the part where she wrote that melanin confers superior intellect spirituality on black people. Not only is that statement scientifically dubious, to put it mildly, it is out and out racist.
     
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    Too bad your fact check debunked a lot of strawmen and nothing that Carlson actually said.
     
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    It's also a work of fiction more than many novels according to most people in the field where it purports to be an "analytical study"
     
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    Yes it is. It really is a yes or no question. She either did or did not. There is no context in which that is NOT a supremacist claim.
     
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    It's pathetic watching them attempt to "explain" this. It completely explains itself, no apologist needed.
     
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    There is some merit in a high melanin count equals superior physical attributes. Its due to higher oxygen intake making the blood/body healthier and harder working, or something like that.
     
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    No I did not miss the part with the written statement.

    For starters just to let you guys know where my beliefs lie with part of this topic I have been called a racist by many people because I have no problems with research regarding genetic differences between races. I will debate against the use of statistic but not legitimate scientific research.

    So when I read the ops post and the statement from Kristen Clarke my first thoughts were skepticism bordering on thinking this woman is crazy and I would like to see the science behind her statement. THEN I READ THE ARTICLE.

    Right below the main headline where the majority of the readers will walk away thinking Biden Picked a Racist is the line "Kristen Clarke wrote the phrase in 1994 to Harvard newspaper while undergraduate." Now I don't know about you but I found that statement containing the word "the phrase" strange. It is one of those things people write when then are trying to cover their ass but still try to present a particular narrative. FatBack reached the conclusion she said it, garyd where she wrote it, either way I am assuming most people are equating it to her owning it. If that is the case why didn't the article say that? Next 2 paragraphs are standard the first points out how Biden picked this woman to a enormously powerful position and the second shows how the hero, Tucker Carlson, has uncovered shocking statements she has made.

    The next paragraph contains a lot of factual info that is relevant to some like me. "In 1994, Clarke wrote a letter to The Harvard Crimson in her capacity as the president of the Black Students Association to explain her views on race science."

    First it gives you the year. 27 years ago. If you google Kristen Clarke's age that would make her 18 at the time. She was an 18 year old undergrad writing to a school paper at the time. I have defended others for this and I will continue to do so now. FatBack asked me what would I say if a white person said something similar? If 27 years ago a white person used the "N" word when they were 18 I would NOT call them a racist now. I know that is shocking for some of you but that is my stance. If it was actions like they committed murder or a crime that might be different but a statement from 27 years ago when someone was 18 is not how I judge a person. Now here is the kicker did she even say it? Da dum.... (cue suspenseful music)

    From the article she wrote.... "Please use the following theories and observations to assist you in your search for truth regarding the genetic differences between Blacks and whites... She continues to list 5 points the 5th one is the one the op highlighted.

    "Five: Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities -- something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards."

    So that is why the article wrote she wrote the "PHRASE". Because she is providing information from other researchers. Does she believe it... Maybe... maybe not... I pass information to our development team often when I believe they may be relevant to a project or potentially beneficial to our company. I expect those people to examine the info and make the determination. I don't know if she read the book from Dr. Richard King on Melanin and was a believer or how deep her knowledge was about Dr. King's research but I won't hold my breath for a 18 year old undergrad. Getting back to Fatback's example, now it is no longer, 27 years ago a white 18 year old said the N word. It is 27 years ago a white 18 year old wrote about someone else saying the N word. Does that still make him a racist?

    Now for some info no found in the article. I was curious what this was all about. Why is she writing this and is this Dr. Richard King credible. I could not find any peer reviews on King's work nor could I find objective reviews of his books beyond Amazon. He died some years ago and his obit mentioned he was a giant in his field but obits always say nice things.

    She wrote the letter in response to a book/research/opinion at that time called "The Bell Curve" by Charles Murray. I am not familiar with the book but apparently it was very controversial at the time. Like I said earlier I have no problems with legitimate research regarding genetic difference between races however I think the problem was, at that time, people were trying to use the research to define policy. I don't know enough about what was happening at that time to comment on that; however, it appears her letter was to offer a different perspective to oppose those policy ideas.

    Finally I will end with a quote from an article I read on Vox. Disclaimer I have not read "The Bell Curve" so have not formed my own opinion on the book but here is what one person thinks. (See the parallels to the story :). )

    So there you go. That is why I will not call her a racist. If you have further evidence please pass it on.
     
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    Really? There is a ton of data used and the authors had posted that online so I'm not sure exactly what you are disputing.
     
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    You lay out your case very well. However, as this is politics, It's fair to apply the same standards to her that the left would to the right, dont you think? Just imagine, the shoe on the other foot. Has she denounced racism? You know, in an across the board sort of way?

    To me, her racist statements pale in comparison to the extreme hypocrisy on display in appointing her to this position.
     
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    It may be politics but we are not politicians. I vote for politicians and they work for me. I owe them no loyalty. I apply the same standards to people on the left and the right. When I said I would not call someone a racist now based on what they said 27 years ago when they were 18 I apply the same standard to everyone. If the left were to call out someone for using the N word 27 years old I would defend that person unless they have evidence of racist behavior currently.
     
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    Do you expect equal standards from your politicians?
     
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    If I understand your question correctly, my answer is NO. Would I LIKE equal standards from our politicians.... Probably yes but I can see how that can be detrimental to their careers. That is why I have no great loyalty to politicians or party and disdain for people like Pelosi and McConnell. Only the policies I find important.
     
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    Fair enough. To find one would be unicorn dust.
    I'm just imagining the excoriation from the press and members here had this been a Trump appointee.
     
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    You did not read the OP.
    For it's written in the OP what she said and I will repost for you to reread.

    " "Five: Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities -- something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards." "

    The words you write "that melanin confers superior intellect spirituality on black people", do not appear.
     

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