Race and Crime

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    You said: "It's not about if they got arrested."

    Interesting. That's not one of the search results when I Google "institutionalized racism." It was only added 6 days ago! And I note that Cambridge is the only dictionary one which has it.

    So then:

    Institutionalized racism:

    "policies, rules, practices, etc. that have become a usual part of the way an organization or society works, and that result in and support a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race:"

    So where is any of this mentioned in your sources?
     
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    meaning... unsolved crime.

    So much for your "It's not as if it can be found in the dictionary!" And I'm not seeing when they added that.
    Oxford mentions it as well. https://www.lexico.com/definition/institutional_racism
    You're English is just not good enough to understand this, and your ability to use google is also not good enough.

    This is on par of you claiming my sources are not about racism, simply because that exact word is not mentioned.
    This is on par of you claiming surveys is not about unsolved crime, when it is.
    And basically, why should an exact word be mentioned when it fits the definition perfectly?

    When you now are going to dispute if the definition fits, I am going to point out your English isn't good enough to conclude that.
    You weren't even aware what it meant 2 posts ago, since you could not find the definition. lol
     
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  3. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Your sources don't even talk about SOLVED crime!

    According to my Google search. I'm also in a different country to you which means that search results can be VERY different.

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    That's institutional racism, not "institutionalized racism" which is what you specified.

    Unlike you, English is my first language, and my ability to use Google is just fine!

    Quote ONE thing from your sources which fits with the below definition:

    Institutionalized racism:

    "policies, rules, practices, etc. that have become a usual part of the way an organization or society works, and that result in and support a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race:"

    I was trying to get you to put it into your own words. What YOU think it means. Sometimes people's understanding of a word differs to the dictionary definition.
     
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    Already responded to this.

    It shows that you do not fully understand the English language.

    I googled with "Cambridge dictionary walk", and got the same day mentioned like that with walked and walkthrough.
    So it's obvious not about them making up these words just some weeks ago.
    That's just you inventing a reality and I busted you with that. lol

    Oh noes... now it must mean something totally different
    or maybe not. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    You mean you stated that it's not to be found in a dictionary, disputing the entire world....
    and than I found 2 dictionaries who explain it.:roflol::roflol::roflol:


    I already replied to this in my previous post
     
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  5. chris155au

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    Yes, you had nothing in response! Again your sources don't even talk about SOLVED crime!

    It shows that search results can be VERY different from country to country.

    Yes, I can see that. I can't understand why that happens if a word as basic as "walk" was added, probably when the
    Cambridge dictionary went online presumably 20 or so years. It could be a weird Google thing. Good detective work!

    If I instead searched "institutional racism" I would have got different search results. That should be obvious to anyone with even half a brain.

    I definitely did put too much faith in Google.

    Okay, so you cannot even quote ONE thing from your sources which fits with the below definition:

    Institutionalized racism:

    "policies, rules, practices, etc. that have become a usual part of the way an organization or society works, and that result in and support a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race:"
     
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    They actually compare surveys with solved crime.... and find a massive difference between who does the crime and who gets arrested.
    That's how they prove institutionalized racism.
    They research almost a 100 million traffic surveys in the entire country, and concluded there is a massive racial bias going on.
    And you got no clue how this fits the definition of institutionalized racism, and claim I got half a brain? lol
    When you claim it doesn't fit the definition, then it's rather clear this falls within your pattern of your poor English skills...
    and that you did not know what it means 2 weeks ago and couldn't find the definition at all and needed help.
     
  7. chris155au

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    Again your sources don't even talk about SOLVED crime!

    Then QUOTE from the studies where it says that there is a "racial bias!"
     
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    I responded to this in post 1100

    Stanfort talks about they got -and I quote- "evidence of discrimination", in their findings if the police all over the US discriminates people based on race.
    https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

    I put up 6 sources in total who say similar things.
    You lost the argument. All you got going is knee jerking shenanigans.
     
  9. chris155au

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    You said: "It's not about if they got arrested."

    I thought that you were talking about HRW and Hamilton in relation to drugs. Obviously you cannot quote from the HRW and Hamilton studies where it says that there is a "racial bias!"
     
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    Already responded to this in post 1102

    You were not thinking that since I previously mentioned "They research almost a 100 million traffic surveys"... so you knew it wasn't about HRW / Hamilton.
    And we already discussed the fact that white people do equally to more drug related crimes, yet black people get arrested far more often.
    You're just now obviously trolling some more when you could no longer deny that systemic racism is a thing cops apply when they want to pull people over.
     
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  11. chris155au

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    "It's not about if they got arrested" does not mean "unsolved crime!"

    So you admit that you cannot quote from the HRW and Hamilton studies where it says that there is a "racial bias!"
     
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    If the culprit wasn't arrested, actually means it's unsolved crime.

    HRW talks about racial disparities. I know it's a hard word "disparities". But it stands for the negative notion that there is a significant and unusual difference. And so I have proved with 6 sources that systemic racism is rather well and alive in the US. I'm not up to nitpick around on definitions what words mean, since you previously have shown that your English isn't good enough. You only got a good spell checker.
     
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  13. chris155au

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    Your sources do not claim to know EVERY SINGLE CULPRIT! :roflol:

    Find me a definition of disparity which mentions "negative!" You won't be able to! :roflol:

    Even though none of them mention "systemic racism!" :roflol:

    Says the person who said "ROLL" instead of ROLE! :roflol:
     
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    What nonsense. Blacks account for 54% of the armed robberies and 56% of the murders and yet are only 13% of the population. Crime victim surveys confirm the racial disparity.
     
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    Nonsense. Any racial disparity that disfavors blacks is simply labeled institutional racism.
     
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    You remain to be not in any position to refute my sources based on your simple opinion, when they produce their data.

    I won't be able? lol :roflol:

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/disparity
    a lack of equality or similarity, especially in a way that is not fair:

    You show again that your English isn't good enough for you to understand an academic text.

    Not my problem you do not understand English well enough.
     
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    By far more then half of the crime goes unsolved. That is a fact. So how is it possible that you know that black people commit more than half of that crime?
     
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  18. chris155au

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    Yes, they produce their data, but that data does NOT include EVERY SINGLE CULPRIT

    Says the person who said "ROLL" instead of ROLE! :roflol:

    Even though none of them mention "systemic racism!" :roflol:

    "Disparity" does not EXCLUSIVELY mean negative!
     
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    Because it largely is.
     
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    All in all, your point remains that when Stanfort says what % of white/black people do and deal drugs, backed up by their research, is that they haven't done their research right. That's you disagreeing with the results of Stanforts academic skills with nothing to back it up. And because you can not back up your opinion, means it's just rubbish and Stanforts findings stand. Stanfort can extrapolate their findings from polls for all I care.

    One perfectly well mentions "racial disparities" and according to the definition I posted it means racism in an especially unequal way.
    You're out of line to claim it doesn't mean exclusively negative.
    And when that the racial disparity is found all over the US for decades on end... it ends up to be systemic racism.
    And you're rather utterly childish responding to this by ignoring what words mean by emphasizing that you can't find 2 words with control f as if that matters.
     
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  21. chris155au

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    I am NOT disagreeing with the results of Stanford. I'm simply saying that their data does NOT include EVERY SINGLE CULPRIT.

    No I'm not actually. See here:
     
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    so end of story while the systemic racism has been proven.

    I fail to see any significant difference.
     
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    Stanford's data does NOT include EVERY SINGLE CULPRIT! Simple!

    Well, do you see the word "negative" in the above definition? I don't!
     
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    You either contest their research with a source or I am dropping this nonsense.

    I sourced it does.
     
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    This is not about their research, because their research does not include EVERY SINGLE CULPRIT! Simple!

    You found ONE definition of "disparity" and I found another. Mine does not mention "negative!" Simple!
     

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