Racist Xenophobe Biden Bans Travel From Africa.

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  1. FreshAir

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    the difference is, the variant Trump was trying to stop was already here

    all this does is buy us a little time...

    really, this won't stop it, our best hope is that the vaccine still covers this variant

    if it does, the only ones at risk are the unvaccinated, if it doesn't, we're all going to be effected until they get a new vaccine out
     
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    In the mirror behind one's eyes.
     
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    Trump tweeted this on March 18 2020. Can't link directly to it because his Twitter is banned: "I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the “borders” from China – against the wishes of almost all. Many lives were saved. The Fake News new narrative is disgraceful & false!”

    This was Joe Biden's response to that specific tweet.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1240361258957897728?s=20

    Here a responses from other Democrat politicians regarding Trump's travel restrictions

    https://twitter.com/RepJayapal/status/1252438027177086977?s=20

    Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, tweeted: "This action is not only an attempt to divert attention away from Trump's failure to stop the spread of the coronavirus and save lives, but an authoritarian-like move to take advantage of a crisis and advance his anti-immigrant agenda. We must come together to reject his division."

    There's a few.

    As far as sources for the media talking heads calling him racist and xenophobic I don't have that. I was watching the news live throughout the early stages of the pandemic on my TV. I'm not sure if the internet keeps records of every random news show from 2 years ago but I'm not really motivated to search endlessly trying to figure it out.
     
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    Has Trump ever acted in a way that could be rightfully characterized as racist or xenophobic, yes or no?

    Because, if he has, then it won't matter if this or that incident was racist or xenophobic or not, eh?

    So, yes or no?
     
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    Thats not a factual question that's a subjective question with only an opinioned answer that could be provided. To me the answer is no. The guy is a huge ******* but I don't feel he has acted in a way that is racist or xenophobic.
     
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    I think the thread point is to not a concern. There's not much of a point.
    The move to stop travel from Africa is a good move at this time.
     
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    Only if the other 9+% are still allowed to travel here.
    Can you prove that to be the case.
    No? Didn't think so.
     
  9. Patricio Da Silva

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    "That is the textbook definition of racism" --Former Speak Paul Ryan, commenting on something Trump said.

    The answer is yes.
     
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    Which is your opinion. Paul Ryan is not the arbiter of truth in society with the power to characterize opinions as statements of fact.

    Alright so let me return to you the same question. Has Biden ever acted in a way that could be rightfully characterized a racist or xenophobic?

    Yes or no?
     
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    I kinda disagree. I mean, if it were just this ONE thing, that wouldn't be too much of a problem. He's most definitely a xenophobe just based on the fact that - well, Trump did the same thing and Biden called him one - sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. And let's face it, xenophobe is a dog-whistle term for racism; at this point both terms are essentially one and the same.

    But even ignoring all of that, you have this instance plus all the OTHER instances where Biden has said and done some pretty racist things and well, voila - you've got a racist.
     
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    This thread has nothing to do with travel.
     
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    I don't have to prove anything. I am following tne template as established in 2020 by the current occupant of the White House.
     
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    Correction; Politically, Covid deaths under Biden exceed Trump, and it’s a numbers game.

    Rationally; Due to a lot of negative and positive factors/variables, Biden and Trump’s Covid death tolls are INCOMPARABLE.
     
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    Correct. Mr. Biden has had the benefit of a vaccine for the entirety of his tenure. A vaccine that Mr. Trump was instrumental in enabling the development thereof. And yet Biden still has a worse outcome - possibly becoming exponentially so. According to the MSM/Fourth Estate/Progressive template, Biden is a worse murderer than Trump was and has even more blood on his hands.
     
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    They REALLY need to rethink their juvenile approach to politics.

    The sooner they stop premising their entire platform on demonisation, the sooner they can escape the invitable consequences of such archaism and incompetence.
     
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    """The campaign says Biden’s January 31 accusations"""...
    no, that was exactly what Biden was talking about on Feb 1..Trump's handling of the virus which included travel ban a few days after Trump intiated the ban.. The Biden campaign once again lied to us..

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1238144416147288066?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1238144416147288066|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/04/03/biden-flip-flops-now-supports-trumps-travel-ban-with-china-he-once-called-hysterical-xenophobia-n384575

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    Show me the incident you think he acted racist or xenophobic, and then I'll answer your question.

    But, keep in mind, who among us, in our past, haven't acted in ways where others might judge us as racist or xenophobic?
    One incident of the spoken word doesn't make us racist. It takes a lot more than a gaff to make one a racist.

    I do find it interesting that the KKK loves Trump, that white supremacists love Trump, and both of these groups hate Biden.

    Oh yes, no doubt you will bring up the former leader of the KKK, David Duke, that David Duke loves a couple of democrats, but not because of their politics, because he knows that if he can find a couple of democrats (Ilhan Omar & Tulsi Gabbard ) who made statements which he PERCEIVES as 'racist' or 'anti-semitic' he's going to support them, because he knows that his support of a democrat will make it look like the KKK love's democrats. It's a subterfuge, and a clever one. But, I've got much harder evidence to thwart that debate point, should you bring it up.

    The real test are the quantity of your words and deeds which add up to the conclusion.
    Find me someone on Biden's staff, that would speak of Biden similarly:

    “As the only African American woman in this [Trump's] White House, as a senior staff and assistant to the president, I have seen things that have made me uncomfortable, that have upset me, that have affected me deeply and emotionally, that has affected my community and my people,” --- Omarosa Manigault

    If that doesn't suggest a particular pattern of behavior which a reasonable person might characterize as racist, I don't know what is. But, she isn't making this up, given who we know Trump is, he's been a public figure for a long time.
    Trump has a long history of racist rhetoric.

    Noting that the following list is truncated due to the 16,000 character limit, show me a Biden racist rap sheet comparable to the following:

    1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

    1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

    1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.

    1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

    1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

    2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”

    2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”

    2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” The research has found a strong correlation between birtherism, as the conspiracy theory is called, and racism. But Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.

    2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

    Trump launched his campaign in 2015 by calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” who are “bringing crime” and “bringing drugs” to the US. His campaign was largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.

    As a candidate in 2015, Trump called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. His administration eventually implemented a significantly watered-down version of the policy.

    When asked at a 2016 Republican debate whether all 1.6 billion Muslims hate the US, Trump said, “I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them.”

    He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

    Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.

    He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.

    Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as “Pocahontas,” using her controversial — and later walked-back — claims to Native American heritage as a punchline.

    At the 2016 Republican convention, Trump officially seized the mantle of the “law and order” candidate — an obvious dog whistle playing to white fears of Black crime, even though crime in the US is historically low. His speeches, comments, and executive actions after he took office have continued this line of messaging.

    In a pitch to Black voters in 2016, Trump said, “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”

    Trump stereotyped a Black reporter at a press conference in February 2017. When April Ryan asked him if he plans to meet and work with the Congressional Black Caucus, he repeatedly asked her to set up the meeting — even as she insisted that she’s “just a reporter.”

    In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counter protesters who stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”

    Throughout 2017, Trump repeatedly attacked NFL players who, by kneeling or otherwise silently protesting during the national anthem, demonstrated against systemic racism in America.

    Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti “all have AIDS,” and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” once they saw America. The White House denied that Trump ever made these comments.

    Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” He then reportedly suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly Black countries are bad.

    Trump denied making the “shithole” comments, although some senators present at the meeting said they happened. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments, like Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests, will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests and his “shithole” comments is race.

    Trump mocked Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign, again calling her “Pocahontas” in a 2019 tweet before adding, “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” The capitalized “TRAIL” is seemingly a reference to the Trail of Tears — a horrific act of ethnic cleansing in the 19th century in which Native Americans were forcibly relocated, causing thousands of deaths.

    Trump tweeted later that year that several Black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that Black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of the four members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US.
     
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    To say that Trump is a racist xenophobe is an accurate characterization, given Trump's long history of racism.

    Whether one incident can be accurately described as 'racist' is rather silly, given that fact.

    And what do you care if a president lies? Trump lied more than any president in history and you didn't seem to mind.

    Right?

    Of course I'm right.
     
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    This from a president that called the former president who did the same thing a racist. And, of course, it didn't prevent the virus from arriving and it won't prevent this strain from arriving. In the meantime we punished the South African government who was good enough to tell about the new strain. Does Biden every do anything right? You would think he could bat .500 by throwing a dart at a board with binary options . Pretty hard to bat zero I would think.
     
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    Hey hey!

    Ho ho!

    Racist Biden has got to go!
     
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    Perhaps. However, you have argued in this thread that Mr. Biden's new travel ban is authentically good policy. When Mr. Trump enacted the exact same policy for the exact same reason, Mr. Biden, Mdme. Pelosi and others called it racist, hysterical, xenophobic, hateful, and all the goodies that reflexively roll off the tongue of any good woke as instinctively as breathing.

    Do you disagree with Mr. Biden and other Trump detractors who characterized Trump's China travel ban as xenophobic and hysterical? And if not, why not? And as you've defended the Biden policy, how is it any different than Trump's? (other than goegraphy) In other words do you believe Trump's policy was xenophobic?

    What fact is that, specifically?

    We shall see.
     
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    It's hard to fall off the floor. But if anyone can do it, I'm counting on Sniffy McFingers!
     
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    Personally, I kind of hope they keep it up. 8)
     
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    Please stop editing my posts … it is against the rules.
     

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