Racists who deny that Black women were raped during slavery are promoting rape culture

I'm saying that White men have less access to Black women TODAY because Black people are free to socialize with whomever they want and many Black people socialize within their own community so they have sex with other Black people. Also a lot of Black women don't want a White man because of a sense of race loyalty and the perception that White men will mistreat them like they did during slavery. During slavery Black women didn't have a choice. If they resisted the sexual advances of White slave masters they would be violently forcibly raped, which I'm sure many were while others just accepted it as a part of life.

 

Please. Mistreat them more than Black men? Once again laughable.

 

You're just being racist. All groups of people have men who are fully capable of being abusive to women.

 

Yeah, that's why Black males call their women ho's, don't marry them and abandon the children they have with them. Got it. BTW what group has the highest incidence of abuse within families. Hint, it's not Whites or Asians.

 

All Black men call their women hoes? Is that an objective fact or do you base that on racist stereotypes and rap music? You're generalizing and being racist. You have a one track mind. There are plenty of poor Whites in America abusing women, not marrying them, abandoning their kids and just being scumbags in general. This behavior has nothing to do with race but rather environmental factors.

 

Wow, that illegitimacy rate must be a figment of my imagination. Of maybe the incarceration rate is all a big lie. But we could look at interracial crime, but that wouldn't work either. Homicide rates? Nah.

 

What in your opinion is the cause of these statistics? Throwing around statistics means absolutely nothing without identifying the cause. Many of the stats you racists use to make your argument about racial differences were likely also true for ethnic groups such as the Irish and Italians when their communities were poorer on average. Bigots made generalizations about those groups too.

 

Actually you have things exactly backwards. Unless there is some flaw in the methodology, the statistics mean everything. Blabbing about the cause is just opinion. the statistics are data. Once you have the data, you can draw conclusions without worrying about "cause" since it's unlikely you'll ever get an agreement on that anyway.

 

The facts are what they are. The rest is just liberal excuses or out and out lies.

 

What's your evidence differing environmental variables are responsible for racial rape rate differences?

Why are blacks just as likely to commit rape in the UK compared to whites as they are in the US?

 

Data and conclusions are not the same thing.

If your claim is, "There are innate racial differences in behavior that leads to different statistical means in the rates of diverse variables between demographic groups (e.g. rape rates, out of wedlock births, domestic abuse, name-calling, child abandonment etc.)."

You haven't proven that claim be merely citing statistical data. A correlation between the statistical measure of these variables and the status of groups under study indicates nothing about the cause. This is why racist claims of this nature are nothing but propaganda completely separate from real science.

The liars are the racists who want to argue that pseudoscientific propaganda is rooted in fact rather than distortions designed to promote racist ideology.

The fact that propensity for rape within a population can change dramatically over short time scales due to changes in environmental conditions. Genetic differences can't explain why a population can have a significant rape culture to not having a significant rape culture from one generation to the next.

Environmental conditions between Whites and Blacks in the UK are not the same just like they are not the same in the USA.

If your position is that differences in rape rates are due to genetic factors that determine differences in racial biology then on what scientific basis are you making this claim?

These theories of rape and innate tendency towards violent crime have already been refuted.

In my opinion these sort of claims have nothing to do with the plight of rape victims but rather to use rape as a tool to make racist arguments. The idea that some people are born with greater rape potential is ridiculous. Environment on the other hand while not a determinant of rape potential can significantly influence your mental state leading to anti-social and criminal behavior such as rape. If you could take someone and raise them in a very bad environment then raise them in a very good one and review their life choices you would likely see very different decisions on the part of the same individual without any change in their genes.

 

Hell son, throw you in the can and they'd rape you.

 

They would try and do the same to you. That goes for prisoners of any race. Prison is a horrible environmental setting. You have people who were already raised in a bad environment who made bad decisions before they came in and now you are locking them in a facility where they can not have normal relationships including sexual relationships. What do you expect to happen?

 

The reason I have not proven "that claim" is because I never made that claim in the first place. I was speaking strictly about data. I never said anything about innate racial differences. This entire thread has been dishonest from top to bottom. From bringing in comments from a totally different forum to putting words in people's mouths because you can't refute what they actually say. You really are a charlatan.

 

They are not perpetuating a FAKE "rape culture" hysteria created by speech controlling Marxist demagogues.

They are perpetuating historical revisionism, which Is REAL, unlike "rape culture." Rape culture is simply a symptom of Marxist leftism and its horrible, authoritarian control on free speech and creates a victim culture which is unhelpful and unnecessary.

Historical revisionism is far more real and is actually dangerous. Ignoring history means we repeat it.

 

I didn't say that you were the one you said that so stop whining, you crybaby. And I used quotes from another forum as an example. So what? Last time I checked discussion on this message board was not limited to what people say on this board. You are the one being dishonest. If you disagree with the argument that is fine but you're making up ridiculous reasons to criticize me.

 

No...

Your response was to my comment that data is data. Your reply was that I hadn't proven a claim about innate racial differences; a subject to which I did not mention.

So...you are continuing to be dishonest.

 

Do you have a job requiring any reading comprehension?

If blacks have significantly higher rape rates than whites, then why aren't you addressing their rape culture?

 

Your posts are a prime example of intellectual dishonesty. This thread is about denying the plight of Black women raped during American slavery. You are using misdirection to talk about Blacks and accuse them of having a rape culture. Why are you trying to change the subject? If you are saying Black culture = rape culture that is also not true and a racist argument. Rapists have a rape culture. The Blacks contributing to those rape rates have a rape culture just like the White rapists and other group's rapists. But most people in any racial/ethnic group do not commit rape. If that is your argument it is as ridiculous as saying that because men rape more often than women (much more) that men in general promote a rape culture. I also clearly responded to your arguments suggesting that differences in rape rates between Blacks and Whites indicate a greater innate tendency of Black men to rape. You didn't respond to my argument.

 

You claim rape culture exists; I haven't made that claim.

If rape culture exists, and blacks have significantly higher rape rates in the US and UK than the white control, then wouldn't it stand to reason blacks have greater rape culture than do whites?

 

What is your point in making such a claim?

 

Well I'll give you a lot of credit for making it this far before calling me a racist. I would challenge you to find something in this thread/section/forum where I've stated something racist, but I imagine to a mind that views "data is data" as intrinsically racist, everything would be.

But let's look at your statement that I replied to:

"What in your opinion is the cause of these statistics? Throwing around statistics means absolutely nothing without identifying the cause. Many of the stats you racists use to make your argument about racial differences were likely also true for ethnic groups such as the Irish and Italians when their communities were poorer on average. Bigots made generalizations about those groups too."

The part I was replying to is helpfully highlighted above. That should have been obvious from my reply, but I'm helping you out now, trying to drag you over the finish line to make a cogent point.

So statistics do mean something as long as you're secure in the methodology. Just because they don't show what you want means it's either beyond the limits of the data set in question or you're just being dishonest.

Which could it be????

 

You're being melodramatic. The comment in bold is obviously in reference to citing statistics to support the claim being made (e.g. generalizing Black men as being more abusive than White men) when statistics alone tell you nothing about the cause of behavior. Perhaps I should have elaborated on my comment that some Black women think that White men are inherently evil, racist and think of them as sex objects who will not respect them as normal women given the history of abuse Black women in America have experienced historically from White men. That's not my personal belief but I know Black women who actually think that.
The other poster tried to counter this mentality by claiming that Black men were actually more abusive than White men based on statistics and made sweeping generalizations about how Black men treat women.
My response was that the statistics he is referencing don't prove the position that Black men are generally more abusive than White men (e.g. "Throwing around statistics means absolutely nothing without identifying the cause"). Your comment about "data being data" and hence useful means nothing in this context because the data does not validate the conclusion.

Oh and if you don't want to be charged with racism don't come in to a thread about a legitimate topic and try to derail discussion and attack the topic starter with suggestions that there is something wrong with talking about this. You give the impression that you either have a personal vendetta against me or you are just a racist troll who doesn't want this subject to be discussed in a sensible manner.

 

"Charged with racism"

Hilarious! Anyway...no. As I suspected, you didn't know how to take the easy out I gave you and decided to sink deeper into the quicksand. Your choice of course, but you can't even address "cause of behavior" until you have good data on the subject to begin with. That seems to be the real racism, statistics!

 

Why don't you stop trolling and just stick to the subject or post in another thread if you don't want to discuss this?