Rape claims hit Islam scholar Tariq Ramadan in France

What books did you read about Islam.


I ask you this because it is important what you learned or think you learned.
I made the statement many times,
" I know more about Islam than most Muslims do", and I am always willing to prove it.

The catch here is that a Muslim who actually knows about the religion, will not talk on social media, or any other media, where he has to answer direct questions.

Instead you get someone who talks about the religion with his peers and cleric, and learns what they want him to learn.

Most Muslims never heard of the things of which I speak, however I am quick to prove anything I say.
Islam is in a bind, trying to present a religion, that is sheer terror, into something acceptable by the standards of today.
Much of Islam has been written into 21st century books, that are nothing like the books they got their reference from. But these are meant for the Kaffir, and for the convert.

Nobody would convert to Islam, if the people told the converts the real stories of Muhammed.

Except the sociopaths of course.

 

I'm not making things up, I says what I remind. I'm not saying a fact, I'm presenting a possibility. I always mentionned that I'm not a law expert and that's only according to what I remember of things I read. It's not the first time I read about possible rapes who happened in my country, and I think to remember a case of a rape without penetration I red years ago, a teenager who abused another teenager. But that's years ago, maybe 8 years ago and I don't remember exactly that case.
So, I'm just saying that laws about rape are different according to places of the world and that's it's a possibility that he could sentenced for rape for that, but again, I'm just speaking of a possibility, not a certitude.

What is sure however is that choking someone is highly illegal (except if you do it on someone consenting), kissing someone against his/her will is illegal too, but less. If it's recognized that Ramadan choked this woman, he could be sentenced, maybe not under a rape sentence, but he could be sentenced for sure.

I gave you the link to the website with all laws of France. You're absolutly free to find the laws article on rape if you want to present sure facts,I don't have the time myself to search for them.

Apparently, notme is an absolute expert on french laws. Maybe he is the maitre du barreau de paris, the leader of french parisians lawyers.

 

And the US.... their priests get to rape lil kids.
I can't say a lot of them ended up in jail.

 

In Christian nations, the priests get to mass rape the children.

 

How about you go read us a fairy tale book, where somebody else made up a magical world that could exist somewhere, and post things about it here. Your contribution to this forum would not drop if you did.

 

Don't worry, we don't need to be in a magical world for your idol to end in prison if he really choked this woman and raped the other one.
Sexual assault is still punished by up to 5 years of prison and up to 75 000 euros of fine. Rape by 15 years of prison.

1) You're trying to change the topic. 2) Compare what can be compared, compare the behaviour of priests with the behaviour of imams, and the behaviour of Muhammed with the one of Jesus. Jesus Christ never raped any children. 3) That explain why there is almost no catholic anymore among young people or very few, effectivly, nobody want to let alone their children with priests anymore. 4) Raping children is highly illegal for christian nations.

 

Ah suddenly we got ourselves an expert on the law.
Can you now tell me how a kiss = rape?

1) On topic comparison
2) A religion is a religion. And the Christian faith is very well known to be the home of priests who en mass rape children.
3) Church is still there, the priests are still there... and not closed down / put in jail. I guess they are turning other the other baby's butt cheek.
4) haven't noticed they got send to jail en mass.

 

In a Christian nation,
Any religious leader, regardless what religion.
Goes to Jail if he is caught.


of course in Muslim nations the religious leader has more power.

Right here is a good example.
We have 2 people defending him, and nobody knows all the info.

 

I can't say that a lot of priests had to go to jail

 

That sounds like a personal problem.

Any priest here in the states, convicted of child sexual assault, goes to jail.
Hell, a few years ago, we had a priest in jail, and other inmates killed him.

 

I doubt there any western country that escaped the mass rape of children by priests.
I doubt more than 10 priests a country went to jail. At best, they stepped down for supporting it.
So much justice being served... but lets mock Muslims as if non of that happened.

 

As I said, that sounds like a personal problem, and unrelated to the context of the thread.


Look one up, show me one that was convicted, and didn't go to jail.

 

I never said that a kiss is a rape. Quote me where I pretend that because I never pretended that. And I'm not an expert on laws, I'm just quoting some facts.

The topic is about Mr Ramadan and two police report against him about rape, not the huge problem of paedophilia in the catholic church and the complicity of some bishops in covering those priests. It's two totally different problems, the second being the most important because the largest, but not the theme of this thread.

As much islam is known for their allahu-akboom, its hatred of freedom of expression and their contemporary slave trades like in Telford/Rotherham. Your truism "a religion is a religion" is meaningless and not an argument, just a two-cents sophism. No religion pretend that all of their members are perfect, however all religion tend to consider their prophet/messia as perfect. So yes, it's a stupid comparison.

Fake news. Just a quick google search show that many of them are sentenced to prison :
https://www.thelocal.dk/20171115/danish-paedophile-priest-sentenced-to-ten-years-in-prison
https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/pedophile-ex-priest-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/a...tralia-paedophile-priest-sentenced-abuse.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/nov/19/religion.childprotection
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12082311

Yes, it's because you're mixing your perceptions with reality.

It is true that many bishops have been pointed for not doing enough things to prevent abusive priest to repeat their crimes, and they deserve to go to prison for that, but every time the justice of western christian countries could sentence a paedophile priest, they did, excepted if you bring the proof of the opposite of what I claim. Claim I sourced with newspapers articles.

Anyway, there is no reason to pollute this thread anymore with those off-topic debates, if you or @yasureoktoo want to debate over this topic of paedophilia or the taste of Muhammed for 6 YO bride, open a new topic or start a private conversation.

This topic is about :
Rape claims hit Islam scholar Tariq Ramadan in France
Not the responsibility of church in paedophilia cases (fact I never denied), not Australia @LeftRightLeft, not Muhammed taste for 6 YO.

 

I wrote a list of excuses by muslims, and numbered them a month or so ago.
This one was number 4. change the subject, blame another religion.

 

Please open a new thread if it's not about Ramadan. Don't hesitate to tag me, I would like probably to intervene, but let's try to stay in the topic, because this thread is going wild.

 

It seems, like Cosby, we are starting to see a pattern emerge.
One difference is only women in free countries will accuse him. Any attacks in Muslim countries, the women will not speak of, and he will get away with them.

His first accuser is Henda Ayari, a former Muslim radical who now heads a secular feminist group.

In a book published in 2016, she wrote about being raped in a Paris hotel four years earlier, but the book did not name the attacker.

But in October 2017, she said the sexual assault scandal surrounding Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein had emboldened her to accuse Mr Ramadan explicitly.

A few days later another woman, a convert to Islam who has remained anonymous, accused him of raping her in 2009.

Four Swiss women have also accused the scholar of making sexual advances while they were students in Geneva. He says all the allegations are part of a campaign by his enemies.

 

I Could Not Forget What Happened to Me That Night With Him’

The French activist and author Henda Ayari filed a police complaint in October accusing the Swiss-born Muslim scholar Tariq Ramadan of sexually assaulting her in 2012.CreditCreditDmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

Henda Ayari, a French citizen of North African parentage, posted two photographs of herself — one in a full black Islamic veil, the other in a tight jacket and T-shirt, bareheaded — and wrote a bitter denunciation of Salafism and its encouragement of violent jihad among young French Muslims.

She described how, as a student, she had been drawn into the fundamentalist Islamist sect, and how, after 10 years of marriage and with three children, she had fought to break out of what she calls the straitjacket of radical Islam.

Two weeks ago, she set off another uproar. Sitting at her computer and reading the accounts of women outing their sexual aggressors in the #MeToo campaign on social media after the Harvey Weinstein scandal, she joined in and identified the man she says raped her five years ago.

 

A problem here, is that she will not be able to prove anything, unless there is something important, that is being withheld from the press.

But for the French to arrest him, it seems there is more than we know about.

 

It's not only a muslim problem in that, it's a men-in-power problem. That reminds me the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case.
Don't think that I have any sympathy for islam and the relationship of islam with women. But what's happening is a bigger problem than only Islam.

What is very problematic however is how the muslim disciples of T.Ramadan decided to attack some of the women who filled complaint about him. (Sorry only in french)
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe...ent-etre-victimes-de-harcelement_2689338.html

I don't trust a lot the justice of my country, but the problem with it is to be too laxist, not to severe. There is a lot of things who caused him to be arrested : 1) the proof must be very heavy 2) It's very likely that if T.Ramadan is free, he will flee to swiss or a muslim country and he could claim that he is persecuted from a political point of view.

I'm not sure he is guilty, but it seems to me rather likely.

Apparently the women gave anatomical details about T Ramadan showing they actually saw him naked. And Ramadan just showed he was a liar from the beginning.

 

I agree here, however in Islam, the power is given to the religious figures by Muhammed himself.

All the men are in charge, a woman being the lowest of all.
Some men hold higher positions than others.
The power also goes to the leaders.



Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256

 

It's too the problem that many muslims men consider that the women have to regulate the desire of men by covering themselves or acting in a way when it's more productive to have men who know that they have to deal with their own desire. Even if you're in a room full of naked women.

 

Just comparing how the Christian west deals with it's religious pedophiles.

 

So going back to the article... you are saying now it's fake news since kiss is not rape.
Took you well over a week. Or are you back peddling again?

You mean.. it's fake news to claim kiss = rape.
And the other rape claim, was from 2009 witch is just casually dropped with no information about it at all.

It becomes a theme, when the Aisha and Mohammed are dragged in by people on your side.

Your alt-right is known for shooting at praying elderly Jews.

Nothing wrong with my perceptions. The rape of children by the Christian priests was world wide.
And a pedophile here and there got arrested. I aint impressed one bit.
That a bishop who made sure it went on and on and on... gets to step down.... HA!
That does say it all how it is with the Christian west.

Mind you. In the US a grown adult can marry a child age 12.
That aint no problem.

 

You ranted off topic about with Muhammed and Ashia. Mind you, you a grown adult can marry a child age 12 in the US. Easy. While pedophile priest got an exceptionally slim chance of ending up in prison. The church keeps helping them, and nothing is done against those who keep covering it up.

 

You can't even make sh-t up good.
Muhammed and Ashia was on topic, because it showed where the laws regarding rape and women were created.
I also asked you to name a priest who got away with sexual assault.
You did not name one, because they all go to jail.
And there is no place in the US where I can marry a 12 year old. Even if I wanted to.

Why don't you keep your mindless chatter on the topic, instead of constantly trying to change the subject. A typical Muslim maneuver.