READ: House Republican witness list for impeachment hearings

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  1. Bluesguy

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    I didn't say as a matter of a criminal proceeding.

    The defense could still call them especially if they believe the testimony would be exculpatory. Where did you get the idea the only witness a defendant can call is one that is an accuser? They even if they were they could be called and declared a hostile witness.

    But this is not a criminal proceed as you sometimes say.
     
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    The persons in the transcript and he doesn't have to prove his innocence. Prove there was a quid pro quo, cite the part in the transcript.
     
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    Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding.

    If the evidence is exculpatory, then the prosecution is required by law to notify the defense. And I never said that the only witness a defendant can call is an accuser. I said that defendants do not have the right to call a CI if that CI is not an accuser. But I suppose to I should have clarified by noting that in this scenario, the CI does not want to testify voluntarily.
     
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    And I should be feeling what at this moment in time?
     
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    I haven't said it was but you keep throwing out the comparisons.

    DUH and the person can be called as a witness for the defense.
     
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    Is that what you think a legal defense is? Lol
     
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    What evidence does the defense think the WB has that will help their case?
     
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    Deep Stater plus Character Assassination plus Hearsay
     
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    I keep tossing out the comparisons because it is helpful as an explanation. And once again, no, if the CI does not wish to be called and the testimony/evidence from the CI is not being used by the Prosecution, then the defense can not call that individual.
     
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    Your BLOTUS is on the record a for telling 13,500+ LIES!

    You have ZERO EVIDENCE to prove that Vindman is telling a single lie.

    Furthermore Vindman's account is CORROBORATED by the sworn testimony of others.

    NO ONE is supporting your BLOTUS's LIES!
     
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    • Nowhere in the phone transcript did Trump "demand" anything.
    • Zelensky publicly stated that he did not feel pressured during the call
    • Zelensky publicly stated that he was unaware of the aid being frozen until after the call.
    Vindman is a POS liar.
     
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    Once again, I love to inject facts, but no transcript of the call has been released. Notes on the call that are clearly indicated as not verbatim were released.
    Because he stood up and told the truth? Because he did the honorable thing? Became he did not further the admitted corruption of Trump?


    Trump fans have an odd sense of morality.
     
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    You forget, in the alt-right alternative fact universe, one may not employ Occams razor, but rather Trumpoz butterknife. Whatever looks best for Trump, however unlikely must be true.

    You also forget, that in that bizarro world, what may be true at this minute, can be erased and new truths can be created directly from Trumps tweets and speeches. So if Trump says something, any previous truth is invalidated and the new truth becomes the reality.

    Oh and look, Hilarry Obama, corrupt dems! (Therefore all GOP conduct is covered, since Obama, Clinton, Her Emails, Bengazi, fill in the blank.

    This is how the Fox "News" world works.
     
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    You have ZERO EVIDENCE to prove that Vindman is telling a single lie.

    Furthermore Vindman's account is CORROBORATED by the sworn testimony of others.

    NO ONE is supporting your BLOTUS's LIES!
     
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    But he FEELS like he's right, doesn't that count? Mean never trumpers, always using facts! Well if those facts come from biased sources obviously it negates them.

    Besides what about Obummer? How about Clinton? Obviously Trump is clean cuz Obama!
     
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    Denialism seems to be all that is left now.
     
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    It's OK, we feel your desperation. Won't help tweety, but you just shout at that damn sky anyway, if it makes ya feel better.....:roflol:

    Maybe Hannity will come up with some new talking points for ya....:roll:
     
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    Shouldn't they make that a separate investigation? That list of names seems more like a lot of red herrings and strawmen. At best, they might be called as witnesses in the event that the inquiry turns into an actual impeachment in order to explain why Trump did what he did rather than show he didn't do anything wrong.
     
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    Red herrings?
     
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    :applause:

    Or is that herrings wearing red hats? ;)
     
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    You know, I really admire someone who isn't afraid to say what you said. You teach us well.
     
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    Why? He blew the whistle, but a whole bunch of others lined up to say the same thing. His role in this is essentially finished. We have the phone call, so the only real question is about Trump's motivations. Why did he hold up the aid in the first place?
     
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    We know why he held it up he didn't trust Ukraine with the money until he had satisfied himself the new premier would, as he campaigned on, be going after that corruption in, as the State Department had warned him, one of the most corrupt countries we deal with.

    Oh and just started a thread on the IG complaint the whistleblower has been soliciting money including from foreign sources which would be a felony. So who was involved in his and his attorney's attempted coup. When did Schiff know about it, who in his office was involved. Did anyone in Schiff's office of the whistleblower himself urge anyone to leak classified information to him, that would be in violation of the law.
     
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    Ha! That sounds kind of like quid pro quo. :)

    I'll check it out.
     

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