RECORD 4.3 million Americans Quit their job in August.

The free market works toward an equilibrium that is economically beneficial. Then government sticks its nose into things.........

 

Our Federal Reserve has artificially held interest and loan rates and inflation down for many years.

 

So you feel the government is just now tinkering with things to their benefit?

 

Well there is our disagreement.

People and business, including government, not taking debt and cash flowing every thing would be detrimental to economic growth.

What you advocate for is stagnation of the economy in the name of zero inflation. Since inflation is simply moving the value of currency, and from that you get economic growth, I can't understand how your agenda is superior.

 

It certainly is not helping the current government.Not here or in any countries around the world.

 

If only there were an alternative to which to compare it. Government debt should be outlawed.

Curious opinion. One I don't share, obviously.

 

And so how does a government do things like... construct the Eisenhower Interstate System?

 

Pay as you go if you don't have a reserve. Use the reserve if you were smart enough to have one.

 

I like Dave Ramsey too, but it really isn't applicable to national currencies that have the ability to manipulate the value of their currency.

 

Of course it is applicable. Government is lying to you. Give them all the money they ask for and they will still spend more. Government overspending is baked into government and our society. It isn't healthy. It isn't healthy for you, me or our government.

 

So, just to be clear.

If I loan the government $20 bucks today in the form of a bond, and I get $40 back in 2030, you think this isn't healthy?

 

Of course it isn't healthy. Debt is not healthy. A government that practices fiscal competence will always be a better government. Unfortunately I don't think there are any fiscally responsible governments on the planet. Government always seeks maximum power and control. It appears to be human nature.

 

Why would you assume it was the vaccine mandate and not the virus that made people want to leave the healthcare and catering industries?

 

So long as these people get new jobs and pay their fair share in taxes and not live off of the government tit...I could care less.

 

Why?

Most industries take account of wages in their pricing.
They don't add on 20% at the end to cover a cost they've deliberately left out.

 

Agreed. And non-government entities don't also seek this?

Btw, nothing wrong with power if it's for the good of humanity.

 

Because it is happening NOW, and en masse. The virus, if it hasn't caused people to leave those fields, to this point, would be unlikely to now, suddenly, cause a whole bunch of them to resign, all at once. Vaccine mandates, on the other hand, have exact dates for compliance. Does that not seem reasonable? Though, if you keep reading through the thread, you'll see that I reported a well known & trusted host from MSNBC (former Republican House member Joe Scarborough), saying that all the threats to quit, of people in these fields, which were subject to vaccine mandates, turned out to not be followed through on.

 

businesses need to pay more and treat their employees better, employees are in a position of power now

for those jobs left that have not been outsourced overseas that is

 

I don't know the percentage translated in numbers but one factor to consider is that the number of families with one parent staying at home with kids and the other working has risen by 60%. This isn't a bad thing at all...I have raised two groups of kids, one with 2 parents working (my older kids) and my last two when a parent was home. My last two children had clear advantages. What's interesting though is at the end of the article it's made clear that some things needed to be "fixed" so that less children had a parent raising them.
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You for got about the control part.

 

So, let's take that one step further.

Let's say I loan the governement $20 today in the form of a bond, the governement uses that money to grow $60 of economic stimulation, and they pay me back $40 20 years later.

Still unhealthy?

 

A significant portion of the non workers is being attributed to many older workers opting for early retirement to avoid possibility of Covid contagion.

 

Yes. Government doesn't stimulate anything healthy in the economy. It spends for its own benefit. And it is doubly worse when it uses debt to fund the spending. While government can cause an economic downturn or make a natural one worse, it can't fix a bad economy. It never has been able to that. Only the private sector can do that. Government helps the economy only by getting out of the way.

We need enough government to ensure the safety and security of the nation and insure the freedom if its citizens. After that, it does harm. We would have a better federal government if we got rid of about 3/4 of it.

 

Yes but businesses produce wealth and business debt is normally used to invest in more wealth creation. Government, spends wealth. It doesn't invest.

Power is of no benefit to humanity in general. Its only value is to those who acquire it.

 

That's simply not true. Though I think government is largely inefficient, they absolutely stimulate economic development. And they can do so in multiple formats.

Taking Bond dollars and awarding projects to engineers, contractors, etc., has a huge ability to stimulate the economy.

Building an Air Craft carrier as an example puts hundreds of thousands of people to work.

The United States government and the individual States are the largest procuring of business from an economic perspective than any company.

I think what you are trying to say here is that they can't increase our GNP, including those items traded on the overseas market. In that case, most certainly they still can.

You know who owns all the ports the cargo ships are backed up in? Government. You know who owns all of the Airports that moves people and cargo around the world? Government.

Without the infrastructure, which requires economic stimulation to build, there would be no way for private industry to get their products into the ports of trade partners overseas.

I am a small business guy, but you are approaching this debate from a very illogical perspective. Who's going to build the roads you drive on? That isn't safety or security related.

We have to be logical in our debate in the name of smaller government, and taking a fringe approach denying that government is incapable of stimulating the economy is not going to do it.