FoxHastings said: ↑ No, no mother calls her baby a neonate...… see how that works ?? Yes, EXACTLY, which is why a pregnant woman doesn't refer to her fetus as a fetus.... but it still is... I guess you didn't "see how that works"... No, you provide proof that a fetus is a baby....a person with rights....you can't.
WOW! What a super duper POINT!!! Amazing!! WHY TF it matters is a an unbelievable mystery !!! ….a point so MEANINGLESS as to almost disappear in a fog of nothingness... I got that from everything you said You insisted if someone didn't like a law then the law wasn't a fact. Of course you'll deny it and I don't care..... I said: ""I would never say that a law I didn't like didn't exist."" You said it about me...
Which law is that? ...and why do you think it should be lawful to hire people to kill others for them ? Please make this law better known so everyone can start hiring out their crimes and then just reap the benefits...
IF... An unborn baby is a distinct, individual human being, with its own unique dna and individuality.. AND IF.. Human beings should be protected from aggressors and violent acts. THEN.. The violence and termination of life of an unborn child can only be seen as the wrongful death of another human being, for the convenience of others. It is murder, and is a moral issue. Laws can be, and have been, wrong and immoral, over the millennia. Legalized abortion is just another immoral law, that tries to justify violence on another person, for the convenience of the parties involved. It is, however, very INCONVENIENT, for the baby, who dies in anonymity.. Undefended & Unloved. But murder and wrongful death has been part of the human experience for millennia. Justifying it has been a favorite pastime of oppressors and social engineers. It is a tragic commentary on the culture, that condemns the most helpless and innocent of humanity to an obscure, clinical death.
OF COURSE it is a fetus! I haven't said that it is ISN'T! Again, I don't have to PROVE that, because it is SUBJECTIVE!
You argued that about why women call it a baby, you appeared to think it can be called a baby and therefore it IS a baby which isn't true. NO, it isn't....it's the law, only the born have rights.
Yes, PEOPLE should be protected from aggressive, violent acts like having the right to their own bodies taken away and being forced to gestate like cattle. IF a fetus is a person then it should have no more rights than anyone else.....and NO one has the right to use another's body to sustain their life..
Agree to disagree. and why do you repeatedly compare a woman's pregnancy to being treated "like cattle"?
Women would not be "forced" to do anything if abortion was banned. So then babies don't have the right to breast milk? If so, then I guess that you would've been perfectly okay with mothers denying their baby breast milk leading to malnourishment in the days before baby formula.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yes, PEOPLE should be protected from aggressive, violent acts like having the right to their own bodies taken away and being forced to gestate like cattle. IF a fetus is a person then it should have no more rights than anyone else.....and NO one has the right to use another's body to sustain their life.. I don't. READ my post BEFORE you comment. Yes, PEOPLE should be protected from aggressive, violent acts like having the right to their own bodies taken away and being forced to gestate like cattle. SEE, I NEVER ""compared a woman's pregnancy to being treated like cattle...""
No, and why should it? And what has that got to do with my statement: ""NO, it isn't....it's the law, only the born have rights.""
Total baloney.....many women would be forced to gestate if they couldn't find a safe, affordable way to have an abortion. No. No, why would I? That comment is in response to this: ""IF a fetus is a person then it should have no more rights than anyone else.....and NO one has the right to use another's body to sustain their life..""" See, BABIES use breast milk AFTER they are born, NOT before.....they are NOT dependent on their mother's body once they are BORN......anyone can feed them.. Before they are born they are using the woman's body to sustain their life.
Uh, no, there wouldn't be if abortion is banned....see, there wouldn't be convenient affordable clinics like there are now.... "CHOICE" is what will be banned. That is not a response to what you quoted: ""See, BABIES use breast milk AFTER they are born, NOT before.....they are NOT dependent on their mother's body once they are BORN......anyone can feed them..""
Why are you so against women being forced to carry pregnancy to term (absent any unusual dangers to them)? We force people to do things they don't want to do all the time. It's part of life.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Uh, no, there wouldn't be if abortion is banned....see, there wouldn't be convenient affordable clinics like there are now.... "CHOICE" is what will be banned. That is not a response to what you quoted: ""See, BABIES use breast milk AFTER they are born, NOT before.....they are NOT dependent on their mother's body once they are BORN......anyone can feed them.."" Because NO one should be forced to use their body to sustain another person's life. NO one is forced to give a heart or a kidney or even blood to sustain the life of another person. Why do you want women to be forced to do that? ALL pregnancies carry the RISK of death, temporary and permanent body damage and pain...ALL pregnancies. NO one is forced to give a heart or a kidney or even blood to sustain the life of another person.
BTW, before baby formula, if a woman didn't want to nurse or couldn't nurse or she died in childbirth they had these things called cows, goats, even horses, mammals that gave MILK... ...and that's what they used.
How would the milk have been administered before baby bottles? There was no way that it could have, was there?
