Religion in the USA

Yes, it looks like Central and South America are going to be the bastions of Catholicism.

It's no wonder that the church is paying them at least some amount of attention.

 

God as the Creator = Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the god of the armies?

 

Have you ever noticed that Catholic majority countries are poor performers?

 

I think there are more important reasons than that for the differences in prosperity between countries.

The whole way we were born was probably selective for energetic entrepreneurs immigrating with ideas coming from wide regions.

And, England's primary version of Protestantism stayed pretty close to Catholicism.

 

Spirituality has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or the supernatural. It is just a meditative state of mind that religions have nefariously attempted to abuse as "evidence" for their superstitious beliefs.

 

I kind of did to tell you the truth. I wonder if their expectations towards work is less stringent than Protestants? High demands call for a tighter hold on uprightness than non high demanding expectations. Those Catholic Countries might not be as eyeful towards others as the Protestant Country(ies).

You do know where the name Protest-ant alludes to, right? Martin Luther 'Protest-ing' against the Roman Church.

Why did he protest? Because he read The Holy Bible and things were not adding up in line to Scripture.

And it was because of him that The Gutenberg Press began printing Holy Bibles that every home could have.

Strangely, during his excommunication, he assisted some nuns escape the convent and ended up marrying one of them.

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After several years of religious life, Katharina became interested in the growing reform movement and grew dissatisfied with her life in the monastery. Conspiring with several other nuns to flee in secrecy, she contacted Luther and begged for his assistance.

On Easter Eve, 4 April 1523, Luther sent Leonhard Köppe, a city councilman of Torgau and merchant who regularly delivered herring to the monastery. The nuns successfully escaped by hiding in Köppe's covered wagon among the fish barrels, and fled to Wittenberg. A local student wrote to a friend: 'A wagon load of vestal virgins has just come to town, all more eager for marriage than for life. God grant them husbands lest worse befall."

Katharina von Bora


https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharina_von_Bora


Martin Luther, as well as many of his friends, were at first unsure of whether he should even be married. Philipp Melanchthon thought that Luther's marriage would hurt the Reformation because of potential scandal. Luther eventually came to the conclusion that "his marriage would please his father, rile the pope, cause the angels to laugh, and the devils to weep."[12]
Martin Luther married Katharina on June 13, 1525, before witnesses including Justus Jonas, Johannes Bugenhagen, and Barbara and Lucas Cranach the Elder.


Daughter, Margareta Luther, born in Wittenberg on December 17, 1534, married into a noble, wealthy Prussian family, to Georg von Kunheim (Wehlau, July 1, 1523 – Mühlhausen, October 18, 1611, the son of Georg von Kunheim (1480–1543) and wife Margarethe, Truchsessin von Wetzhausen (1490–1527)) but died in Mühlhausen in 1570 at the age of thirty-six. Her descendants have continued to modern times, including German President Paul von Hindenburg (1847–1934) and the Counts zu Eulenburg and Princes zu Eulenburg und Hertefeld.

 

In others words, 'stop the flattery'?

 

No, we should continue with the direction set by our founders by recognizing that we are religiously plural and that religion is outside of government.

 

Keeping Government laws is good, too.

 

Why ???
Let Government keep it's own darn laws and like it and lump it too !

 

We have enough evidence to demonstrate there are Black Holes its hard to miss them in the center of Galaxies and almost all seem to sport a Supermassive or possible a Cluster of them. But many Christians just accept the Bible is literal, that God exists on faith and all that He wishes is in the Bible so are people of pretty simple faith and values. No evidence or proof is needed just simple pure faith. If I recall the number who believe this it is around 30% in studies done among professing Christians.

 

This grooves with my own anecdotal experience. People are leaving the Church in preference for a more personal study of God.

Essentially, religion is on the downswing, being replaced once again by spirituality.

And Im all for it.

I believe we have the govt to thank for this one. 501c3 has been used (and was probably designed) as a means to manipulate a doctrine that meshes with social compliance to authority. Reference examples: Jesus said 'render unto Caesar what is Caesars'- church says this means 'pay your taxes' when its more likely Jesus said 'stop using Roman money.' Romans 13 is pushed as evidence that we should obey authoritarian govt, but the context was a suggestion to Christians to take Rome from the inside (which they did).

The manipulation of religion by govt for social control is an ancient strategy, and I for one am optimistic that we're FINALLY rejecting it, even if its an agonizingly slow process.

 

People believe in deities because they want eternal life. And only all-powerful deities can give them eternal life.

 

Yes - the separation of church and state isn't just for the sake of those who don't accept the religion.

It also protects the religion from the coercive effects of government/politics on religion.

 

Okay. Then keep good moral laws.

 

And eat fresh Hot Pizza and Chicken Catch a Torrie.

 

HereWeGoAgain said: ↑
Religion is true brainwashing. Education is based on facts and science.

Religion is based on faith, not facts.

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Religion is not based on education, true. Religion is based on human emotion of caring for one another.

 

Gender too.

 

Faith is having faith your boss isn't going to fire you.

 

Whilst Faith is indeed a tenant of Spirituality, the Temptation proved the need of facts and reality too.

Satan told Jesus to jump off the the Temple roof, that G-D would tell Angels to save him and his foot would not dash against a stone.

The response was, it is also written, thou shall not tempt the Lord
Thy G-D.

So We have Faith but are not ignorant of facts.

I have seen and been recipient of Medical Miracles, yet still seek Medical Attention.

 

No, Faith is getting Fired and knowing
G-D will provide and you immediately go looking for another Job.
Faith without Works is Dead.

 

Education is based on "facts and science". Well, I don't know, but when I keep some of my niece and nephew, I don't talk that much of science, it can happens, but mostly I try to make them behave well.

A lot of things aren't based on facts and proves, and politics are part of that. A lot of people aren't always rationnal in their political choice neither. Why ? Because political trigger in us that "herd" mentallity that can happen in religion.

Furthermore, you oppose faith and fact, which is far to be that much opposed. For instance Copernic was a cleric, and Georges Lemaitre who proposed the theory/hypothesis of the big bang was a catholic priest.

By the way, religion will have to evolve to take account all the recent social change and scientific theory (when I speak of recent, I mean the two last centuries).

I tend to think that human need spirituality and share it in group.

 

The Oddest thing are British Vicars that are
Agnostics.

 

56% christian would only be a bare majority if the other 44% all belonged in the same group.

 

Even odder, the first know athee in the west were a priest.