Religion is Silly Fairy Tales

Modern medical researchers can impregnate a woman with a particular seed. And she can give birth without ever having had intimate relations. But many say that the God who created the universe, the earth, mankind and every living thing on it could not possibly cause Mary to conceive and give birth to his only begotten Son.

 

Your quote by Jefferson was his describing the advent of pessimism by certain peoples on the heels of misrepresentation of Christianity by others. It was not a condemnation of Christianity. It was an observation and prediction regarding it. Here is the remainder of Jeffersons thought:
"But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer(Jesus) of human errors.

So much for your quotation of Calvin’s ‘mon dieu! jusqu’a quand’ in which, when addressed to the God of Jesus, and our God, I join you cordially, and await his time and will with more readiness than reluctance. May we meet there again, in Congress, with our antient Colleagues, and recieve with them the seal of approbation ‘Well done, good and faithful servants.’ "

Jeffersons entire letter to Adams was to shore up Gods eternal existence, his creation of the universe, and thus dispossess atheism of validity.

 

Whats wrong with believing a fairy tale? Especially since you cant prove its a fairy tale?

So what do you recommend? Should we strip religion out of the constitution and create a department of thought and belief control?

Surely we would need an amendment to the constitution

 

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/98-01-02-3446

 

No ... Jefferson, Adams, Maddison - were not acting on the basis of a "Misrepresentation" - but on the basis of what a monster Christianity had become... and they tell us what they think in some rather uncertain terms (do ask for quotes if you don't believe me - far more damning that the one you are addressing)

This does not mean they did not uphold Jesus - regard him as savior - it was the Church they disdained who was the antithesis of Jesus.. leaders of Christianity -- the multi headed beast it had become.

The movement against the Church started prior to Napoleon - who championed the demise of the Church .. but the French Revolution was a revolution against the Catholic Church

This had everything to do with "reality" and nothing to do with some misrepresentation .. some fictitious story ..

 

I don't disagree. But it takes nothing away from true Christianity, anymore than a fake Rolex takes away from a real one. Just the fact that there is one Jesus and his one Gospel while there are forty thousand different Christian denominations, is nearer an impediment than a path to salvation.

 

Yes .. which is the point Jefferson and the others were addressing - all those different denomiations teach a different gospel .. yes similar in some respects - we hope similarities might represent the right teachings - the differences the wrong - but this is wishful thinking .. and IMO - most of the Churches have wrong

We have all these folks going around saying "look here - look there" this is the the one true Gospel .. but if I ask these folks - what is that - what is the way the truth the light .. the path to salvation .. how many can answer correctly - according to what you figure is "The one True Gospel"

 

That God is real and lives is what I know, not what I labor to believe or a conclusion at which I arrived. Otherwise I'd say I believe that God lives because of this and that...or I've concluded that God lives because of thus and so. It was a personal revelation which by its nature leaves me astonished that something of such holy magnitude could be afoot at work in the world, and the world not know about it. Imagine if you awoke and turned on the news to learn that a third of the worlds nations completely disappeared overnight. It's be a big story, right? Well, that God is real is bigger than that. Even to say that he is holy or divine does him no justice. He is the epitome of all our fondest hopes and dreams, the source of all our consciences and every good part of every person as well as every new thing we might come to know and discover about ourselves. They are all his sowings. And it is all to our betterment and individual happiness. There is not a thing about anyone of which he is unaware.

 

Now that makes more rational sense to me. But that's not what you said and I quoted in the post you here responded to. You were talking about how life would be bad if it was different, and seemed to be doing so as a way to show life is as you see it.

Absolutely would be if true. And also if true I would share your amazement that he hasn't made so many of us know he exists, and that he has allowed so many others to be wrong about who and what he is and what he wants them to know.

 

If one is indoctrinated at an early age to believe witches should be burned at the stake and actually witnesses a woman burned at the stake because everyone around them believes it that is a problem with a fairy tale, don't you think?

Well who is going to prove the above is a fairy tale? Who is going to have the balls to contradict that once popular fairy tale. Want to prove a negative?

I recommend not indoctrinating children, especially in dangerous fairy tales such that the World Trade Center towers "collapsed" naturally from the events of 9/11 (for example). That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The 9th Amendment protects all rights, including the right to believe anything one wants to believe. But it's one thing to believe in fairy tales, it's quite another to indoctrinate children into believing in invented fairy tales that have life long consequences.

We already have one or more, the Bill of Rights and others.

 

You would have never "known" that if you were never indoctrinated to "know" that. I'm quite sure you didn't come up with that belief all by yourself.

 

Talking about fairytales, as you probably know the Greek nation is on fire. The people have been warned many times by Saints (Prophets), but to no avail. The massive fires are destroying homes, livelihoods and especially its forests which have been nurtured for decades since it never rains in the summer.

1 - This is the monastery of Saint David. The monks expected to find ashes when they returned, but not one building in the complex was burned, scorched or even dirty from the flames. Miracle? They think so, and so do I.


2 - A fire surrounded the small church of Holy Trinity. Note the difference in the church grounds from the land outside the church. The narrator says that even the dried leaves on the church grounds were not burned. Miracle? They think so and so do I.


3 - This is a small church dedicated to Saint Matrona. All the trees around it have been burned from the fire but the church is just as it was before without even soot on the roof. Even the flag was untouched. Miracle? They think so, and so do I.


4 - The religious procession in the video below is circling a town in Evia, and asking their protector Saint John the Russian as well as other Saints, to intercede and save them from the fire. It's a tradition that goes back 2 thousand years in the Orthodox Church.

The men stayed in town all night praying and waiting for the fire to approach so they could fight it with whatever they had at hand. At around 3:00AM the police came and told them the fire was approaching, and they had to leave.

As they were leaving, they saw a black cloud in the sky which they assumed came from the fire, since clouds are non existent in August. When they returned instead of a burned town, they found the ground and the mountain nearby saturated with water. They couldn't believe their eyes. Miracle? They think so, and so do I.



So much for fairytales.

 

While I agree it is silly fairy tales, it does have the power to unify various groups to a common set of core values.

 

That's the point. Those "core values" can include burning witches at the stake and the Inquisition, among other "core values".

 

You are correct that I did not come up with that all by myself. It came from God himself in a revelation to me, not from people, culture, dogma, etc. And it is not a belief of mine, but rather a fact to me. I do not simply believe that God lives. I know that God lives. In fact, it is the truest thing I know in life....more true than what my eyes see or ears hear. It is seared and lodged within the core of my being. And I could no more deny it than cease to be. It is my light and pillow, my foundation and cornerstone, my immovable benchmark from which to measure, gauge and build in certainty. It is Gods mercy and charity, evidentiary not of my greatness but of his excellence. Now I see, hear and utter a basic truth which may not seem much, but is everything to me. Some, while dancing their lives away upon the stage of life, pause to proclaim that talk of God and salvation is the repetition of a fairy tale...and then in the end of their dance they vanish like a fable. All that they know is that they live. Such is the state of the natural world.

 

So with our eyes upon starvation, we should pig our way to good health and miss the mark again?

 

Well so far as I know, there is only 1 religion that is currently still operating in a barbaric/medieval doctrine. Can you guess which one? The western nations base religion seems to have progressed to the point where it's influence doesn't impact sciences or social progression.

 

People feel that they get some value out of religion or else they wouldn't practice it. To each their own.

 

Yes...I tend to agree with your observations.
I believe that the stories attempted to describe some important truth,
but that truth has been obscured.

 

Witches do exist, because evil exists - and that's where witches draw their power from. Burning them was wrong of course, although it might be the reason it's not prevalent in the West as it is Africa and the Middle and Near East. Besides the ones burned might have been innocent like Joan of Arc.

No one has the right to harm another and to take their lives, and by doing so, they made themselves as equal in malice as the witches they burned. People do have a right to protect themselves though, so what they should have done instead of resorting to equally evil means, is pray and fast for their souls, and leave the rest to God.

 

People should be allowed to believe in whatever they want. This should be true for any philosophy or religion. But civil law should punish lawbreakers.

 

All universities were denominational and basically seminaries.- and it's these Christian minds and thoughts that formed our Constitution and our nation.

Jefferson himself was above elitism and self love and knew it as the antithesis of Christianity, and so he founded the University of Virginia which was the first interdenominational University.

 

I wouldn't call us a liberal democracy considering the impositions on our freedoms, but rather a liberal totalitarianism and the beginning of our enslavement. We have strayed from our Constitution and our Christian roots and I fear for our future.



This land we love so mightily,
should not be handed readily,

to selfish men with hearts of stone,
who carest only for their own.

And who will come so angrily
to tellest us so blatantly

that we should never dare to stray.
For only they should have a say.

And that we not do as we please,
while forcing us upon our knees,

to worship gods of self and greed.
And things that we should never heed.

Now these are things we did not choose.
And freedom's something we can't lose.

To liberal laws and swords so cruel
and brandished 'bout by those who rule.- Jeannette

 

Cool, thanks.

 

I attended public schools and they indoctrinated with me with modern fairy tales.