Religious Discrimination by the Republican State of Arizona?

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  1. Raffishragabash

    Raffishragabash Newly Registered

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    Yes, it makes total sense when you look at the OP here, regarding the culture now unfurling in Arizona.
     
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    What exactly is the culture that is now unfurling in Arizona? You live there?
     
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    I don't think one needs to live there in order to recognize a nationwide, post-2011 pattern, where it's now Arizona's turn to go through that same transition. Where you have a Senate Race, this globally unique*, and combined with an issue like within the OP here as LGBTQ appear to clearly get the most local support on this according to the article.




    *- two Caucasian women battled each other over one, sole seat, so progressive Feminism was no factor within ground zero of "southern-border protection" realities. And when eternally-GOP Conservative Arizona went to the polls, it voted for/elected the gay woman who wants an open AZ border. And now, local entrepreneurs are about to symbolize this new culture, according to the OP here.
     
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    What do you mean they're about to symbolise this new culture?
     
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    would you seriously want a business to be allowed to discriminate against black people?
     
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    centuries-old peaceful religious, practices, now come second to political agendas.
     
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    Well, only if they can show that they are not just "making it up" in terms of being dedicated to their religion and their religion officially prohibits them from having any respect for or coexisting with Black people.

    If the specific belief does not consist of being, violent, then I would have no problem with that business discriminating against Blacks. And of course all local EEO laws would apply to that business.
     
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    so like putting up a huge burning cross and denying service to blacks would be ok?
     
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    yep, they are against Intra-gender marriage, same as people that are against inter-racial marriage
     
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    USA
     
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    ROFL @ the equating sexual preference, with Race, especially in light of how homosexuality did not result into gays spending 400yrs raped by the Legacy of Slavery and Jim Crow laws.
     
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    Are you sure that you don't simply mean that they are clearly against anyone other than a man and a woman marrying each other?

    You said that you "don't believe their reasoning is entirely rational or thought out either." And I'm trying to see if you would consider YOUR reasoning entirely rational and thought out for refusing to do something which you wouldn't want to do. This hypothetical group meeting that I've dreamed up doesn't have to be the scenario, although I don't know why you would need more info on it, it seems pretty simple - its just an anti-gay hate group meeting which you either would or wouldn't want to participate in. I know that I sure as hell wouldn't want to participate in it! Is it really that hard to know if you would or wouldn't? Anyway, you can choose your own scenario. Is there ANY kind of event that you couldn't see yourself wanting to participate in? Or would you be as happy as Larry to participate in anything?
     
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    It would make you a business man who wants to operate his business in his own way, which unfortunately isn't possible in the USA, supposedly the most free country in the world, but I'm not so sure about that.
     
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    But how are these local entrepreneurs about to symbolize this new culture?
     
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    Of course not! You totally missed my point! Are you seriously saying that it wouldn't be on the news if wasn't illegal to have such a policy so no fine was issued?
     
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    Kennedy said this?
     
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    Local entrepreneurs who overtly base their strategic-business ideals specifically upon, Christianity, are now being compelled to [symbolize] assimilate to the desires of the larger majority/PHX citizens who despise Christianity's principles.

    For someone to wake up one day then maliciously go try to capsize these two womens' dream, in loving their God, when the Plaintiffs could've easily found a pro-LGBTQ retailer; its the type of ordeal which potentially makes it seem like the LGBTQ Movement is not about getting respect and is about getting revenge!
     
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    Being a Black person is not a lifestyle. Whereas this issue is about a lifestyle which the entreprenuers [religious] vision statement, does not condone. Yes so now they're about to be made into martyrs/losing their Right to be entrepreneurs in Christianity's retail industry.


    Stay keen. Your question could be perceived as comparing apples to, oranges, since these 2 women's PHX business has never once created products which uplifted a specific Race nor exclusively praised what their Race's White people look like.

    There's no human who we only need to just 'look at' in order to clearly be able tell that they are homosexual, therefore your question might not be comparing apples to apples.
     
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    This issue is conceptually inline with allowing for the KKK or White Knights or Aryan-Nation to be legal, registered businesses within America's private sector, and then suing them because they won't let Black citizens join or they won't uplift and praise Black citizens lol
     
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    I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I've answered that question countless times. The answer isn't going to change just because you keep asking it.

    See, I'd initially read that as a meeting against hating gays, not a meeting in favour of hating gays. That why clarity is important. :)

    Of course. I've also been contractually obliged to write software which would be used in organisations I didn't support (though probably not to the extent the bakers objected in these cases). I couldn't simply refuse because of my personal beliefs though, I'd had to do it anyway or quit the job. I could conceive of extreme cases where I'd choose quitting.
     

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