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Religious Discrimination by the Republican State of Arizona?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by chris155au, Dec 18, 2018.

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Well?
     
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    Especially when one is being asked to perform a special task an artisitic or creative task using their internal personal talents to promote something for an occasion to which they have moral objections. I bet they would sell them birthday cards.
     
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    No it won't the SCOTUS has already ruled on such lawsuits.
     
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    Federal public accommodation laws? Quote the federal public accommodation law this falls under.
     
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    biblical and sharia law have no place in our laws supporting discrimination based on race or gender
     
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    just cause some religious nuts in power say Christians can discriminate again inter-racial and intra-gender couples does not make it right
     
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    Can the local chapter of the KKK force a local black song writer/jingle writer to write a song for the next rally promoting white supremacy?
     
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    Did the Arizona Supreme Court cite Biblical law in their decision?
     
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    if they advertise to the public they will do that, then yes

    but they can not force one to sing or speak at their event

    most writers do not have businesses open to the public though

    Could tiki torch control who bought and used their products? they might wish they could... but they can not
     
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    of course not, but we all know what's up
     
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    Why don't you tell us what you think is "up."
     
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    You should read the transcription of the SC pre-trial hearing for that case.
     
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    Same groups of people - religion, sex, etc.

    The Arizona SC ruled in favor of discrimination of people protected by federal public accommodation law.
     
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    You can find and read the definition of public accommodation. Basically, it includes businesses that have their doors open to the public - stores, hotels, etc.

    It would be unusual to find a storefront where the product is that an employee or the owner will write a song for you.

    You brought up this idea of a song writer selling customized songs from a public accommodation. I'm saying that doesn't qualify as being a likely case now or in the future.
     
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    The SCOTUS has heard public accommodations cases many times. The idea that we've seen the last of them is seriously unlikely.
     
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    it's a religious law to allow discrimination of inter-racial and intra-gender couples.... obvious
     
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    Do explain how this violated the public accommodations section of the federal Civil Rights Act.
     
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    That is UTTER NONSENSE, the public accommodations section of the the Civil Rights Act says NO SUCH THING.

    They are called music studios and they are "open to the public", where do you think your local car dealer gets there jingles done. I know guys who play such sessions.

    I would urge you to go and read the section of the Civil Rights Act and learn what is a place of "public accommodation" before you dig your hole too deep.
     
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    They advertise to the public, local business they will write you a jingle for your commercial or a song and record it for you and you think the KKK can force a black studio owner to do so? And YES music composers are ALWAYS looking for someone to hire them especially local musicians trying to make a living doing so. What if the KKK showed up and said we want to record a song we wrote about sending all the blacks back to Africa because they are inferior to whites and we are going to use it to raise money for our cause. You don't think the black studio owner could tell them to take a hike you ain't doing that in my studio?

    And what law are you citing that says they have to do that?
     
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    Which religious law are you talking about?
     
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    What SC case?

    According to what? I assume that you believe that Public Accommodation laws don't go far enough and that you think that not only prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, gender or sexual orientation, but that they should require Public Accommodation businesses to serve every single person that walks into their premises.
     
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    What did you mean by, "they disagree with there existing public accommodation law?" (This post: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ate-of-arizona.547548/page-20#post-1070975930)

    They ruled in favour of the business. How is the business protected by federal public accommodation law?
     
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    I did. What are you referring to?
     
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    Quite a few Republican states have seriously Democrat cities sinking in the muck. Michigan, Tennessee, Utah, and Arizona voted for President Trump but I doubt Detroit, Memphis Salt Lake City, or Phoenix did. Texas went for President Trump and you know Austin didn't.
     
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    THAT I do not understand. I really can't see how that works.
     
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