Remember one absolute fact about gun grabbers.

Uh huh...

 

Really??? The gays and trans folks didn't, America's stoners haven't. The 40 million people who had abortions didn't, still don't. How about the open borders crowd that also support free healthcare, housing and public assistance to illegal moochers??? We're talking about rights, right???? How is a Constitutional right permissive? If you can support that statement then what about free speech, freedom of religion, the press, are these all things that are excessive according to your interpretation? I don't ask permission from anyone to exercise my Constitutional rights, like natural rights they trump your and even the government's opinions. There exists no government body that can unilaterally deprive American citizens of their Constitutional rights and certainly no group or individual that can. You want to talk about unbridled permissiveness? Look in your own backyard. You want our guns? Come and get them.

 

It is how things unfolded in the nation of Venezuela. Once there was no more funding for free government handouts, the government began slaughtering its own people who were starving and trying to get basics such as food and water.

 

Do you believe Venezuela and the US are comparable?

 

What is known as confirmed fact is the nation of Venezuela did away with legal, private firearms ownership. Now that it has no money, the government is murdering its own disarmed populace simply because they are trying to acquire food and water.

 

You avoiding answering my question duly noted. Carry on

 

~ Learn from example. Most Americans do not want the U.S. to become anything like Venezuela. It could certainly happen - especially with a global government that would effectively make individual countries constitution moot .

 

Whether or not the united states and the nation of Venezuela qualify as comparable to one another, does not change the established fact that the government of the nation of Venezuela is indeed murdering its own people, and did so after forcibly depriving them of firearms. No amount of arguing to the contrary will serve to change such.

 

Which means squat when it comes to the US. Carry on.

 

In fact, the USG has murdered its own people, but the "legacy of fear" that came with the aftermath seems to have made our government a bit more cautious about using deadly force against its citizens.

 

Nowhere near what the OP was referring to regarding govts mass killing its citizens. Nice try though

 

No, we don't have to defer to the majority. You forget that we're not a democracy. Not only are we a republic, we're a constitutional republic... You seem to have forgotten both.

Republic means that majority does NOT rule. If they did they could start white heterosexual male slavery tomorrow - and probably would, given the chance to vote on it.

Constitutional means that our republican (little r) representatives can't do anything outside the Constitution - which acknowledges and protects the right to keep and bear arms absolutely with the words, "Shall not be infringed."

 

So what if they don't 'grab' (confiscate) the guns but instead offer to buy them back at market value plus a small percentage? Are they still fanatics in that situation? And if so why is that people who won't surrender their firearms under any circumstances are also not 'fanatics'. Anyone who disagrees with me this proposition falls into the class 'fanatic' but anyone who agrees with me is in the class 'normal'.

I only ask because if this is not the case then it seems like the whole thread is framed in a way that doesn't leave any room for a middle ground. Its 'then' vs 'us' and them is out to get us!. Which comes across as a little bit paranoid BTW.

Yep, all those wasteful things like education, health, welfare, defense and infrastructure spending. Who needs an army, navy or air force, roads & bridges, schools and hospitals. Bring back the dark ages I say, when men were men and everyone died before 50, just the way God intended.

 

If you look at the dem candidates for president they would love to see this country turn into Venezuela.

 

How so? Be specific and with factual data backing up your claims.

 

When one side says they plan to eliminate one of your rights, forcibly take your property after doing so, and there's nothing you can do about it, there's no "middle ground" to be had.

 

Who is saying they plan to eliminate the 2nd amendment?

 

Waco refutes the argument that the USG does not murder its citizens.

 

No...it actually doesn't. But nice try.

 

Waco proves what should be obvious by now. Governments, including the USG are very dangerous killing machines. Atrocities like Waco are not rare events.



The USG has avoided committing similar atrocities on this scale against its own people since Waco, but obviously not because our corrupt political class has evolved a conscience or any sense of guilt.

 

Which is it? Can't be both.

 

Clarify.

 

In one sentence you said "Atrocities like Waco are not rare events."
Then in another sentence you said "The USG has avoided committing similar atrocities on this scale against its own people since Waco"
Two completely opposite things

 

What was the reaction to Waco?

 

Not what I asked you. You said two very different things. Please explain yourself