Rep. Massie cites Constitution to slam Biden's upcoming 'ghost gun' rule: 'Congress makes laws'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/massie-slams-slam-bidens-anticipated-rule-on-ghost-guns

I would like to remind all these hypocritical Republican trash bastards that Trump done the same thing to bump stocks (reclassified them to qualify as a gun). And now they speak up? Those rat pukes allowed a republican to do it but not a democrat? My damn gun rights are not a political tool to use when convenient so F this guy for not being there when gun owners needed him and only being there for his own political gain. Seriously F him!!!!

that said, he’s also right. This logic should have applied to Trump as well with his ban. God I get mad when I think of that. But yes both scenarios being they are not first addressed by congress is unconstitutional. But you rats allowed one guy to do it so why in all hell would you think a democrat wouldn’t do it once in office? Thanks for being apart of opening that door to all our Republican representatives. Freaking spineless politicians anyway

 

Nope, folks were screaming at Trump then. His was an unconstitutional action, the recent decision on triggers was an unconstitutional action and this is an unconstitutional action.

Why do you think that anyone "allowed" the ATF to make bump stocks machine guns?

For one example:
https://helenair.com/news/state-and...cle_e42b0333-c25f-5103-9602-db9c1d63c09b.html

 

Sure sounds like the law already exists: "Gun Control Act" aka House Resolution 17735 of 1968.

Executive Branch executes laws including House Resolution 17735 of 1968.

Which GOP Rep screamed?

 

In that act it already classifies what a receiver is by definition. A receiver is required to have a serial number on it. They plan to reclassify a receiver to be an unfinished receiver meaning one that’s been started but not finished. The current law does not state that but they want to change the law without congressional approval first. That most definitely is unconstitutional

 

Yeah, I would like to know that as well. I would donate to that guy.

 

No, they are not changing it, and neither did Trump change it. They are enforcing it.

I am surprised the kits were not considered firearms already. Why would they not be considered firearms, when they are obviously.....firearms?

What do you call this if not a firearm?

 

Massie is right. Only Congress can make laws. Biden, nor Congress for that matter, have the power to outlaw privately manufactured firearms.

 

That's a firearm.

This isn't...

 

They are changing it. And Trump did change it. Find me one article that doesn’t state that they are reclassifying what a gun/receiver is. 80% receivers without serial numbers are legal period. No ands ifs or buts. Judges have ruled them to be legal. The only way to make them illegal is to change the law.

Trump changed the law to include bump stocks as a machine gun. Wether you want to admit it or not it most definitely happened.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-bump-stock-type-devices-final-rule

you know what the action of amending is right?

 

Tell that to Trump and the republicans who done it with bump stocks too. Oh… and the courts held it up. So what’s there to say the democrats can’t do it. Thanks to that orange puke he most definitely has the precedent to do it

 

No, the Act is not changing.

If you want to argue it is changing, then provide the current text and the text which will replace it.

If Trump changed it then maybe he should have been impeached for the 3rd time.

 

He did change it and I believe he should have been impeached for it. It says in the article I provided it was changed. This violated multiple rights of people. The right to property, the right to gun ownership, and it violated the rights of law makers

 

That has not been provided yet but that is the only way he can make ghost guns illegal or force them to have a serial number. The courts have held up that ghost guns are legal so long as the finishing tools are used by the owner. The only way to stop that is to make that illegal.

 

here is a good read about it. It gives examples of the ways they can do it

https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/breaking-down-bidens-proposed-ghost-gun-rules

 

It dot say the law would be changed.

Again, what do you call this? A lollipop? A bicycle? A frying pan? No, its a firearm, and there should be no reason why it should be considered anything but a firearm. Like I said earlier, I was surprised to learn they were not considered firearms already. I am gun owner, but I don't see an issue here.

 

Equating "ghost guns" with "bump stocks" is like equating fingerprints with switchblades. One is an administrative exercise to keep the paper pushers busy... the other has to do with weapon use.

 

The reason ghost guns are ghost guns is literally because of the definition of a receiver. Your right that they are two different parts but the receiver has everything to do with weapons use. It houses every component that is used to set off a firing pin and has a port for the barrel. This is very very similar because both have legal definitions that they are trying to change to include whatever they want banned.

 

If someone was trying to limit the availability of the receiver, that would be one thing. But simply addressing serial numbers is quite another.

 

It’s not just addressing serial numbers. If this passes it also changes the long known legality of a person being able to make their own firearm. If this law changes it makes it illegal to build your own firearm unless it has a serial number.

Tell me, what is the point if every gun made by an individual has the serial number of 000001? How does that help anyone? So to avoid this they will have to make any person who builds their own gun have a federal license to build that gun so that the serial number of (1) has a manufacturer number to go with it. Thus destroying the long history of private gun manufacturing

 

I know a lot of people that take "unfinished" lowers and do the required machining in their garage to make them gun ready. Its a simple process and many, many people do it. (Me? I have no skills... I once drained my transmission fluid and added four quarts of oil to my car.) But outlawing this seems unenforceable, especially with the proliferation of 3-D printers and the requisite software. It would seem to be a gross case of locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen.

 

The manufacturers of the kits will be required to add serial numbers on them and dealers to serialize guns that don't have serial numbers.

Also, contrary to what you said, he is working with Congress on it.

 

That’s because he can’t change the law enough to ban the possession. I wish Trump had the same sense on the subject. I will oppose any effort by my senators to do any of that. But he most definitely is changing a law about serial numbers on guns going forward. He is not working with congress on that.

 

Its the same thing. He is asking Congress to pass a law to ban the sale and possession of unserialized firearms, which means the serial numbers would become mandatory.

 

Yet he’s doing it without passing a law. So what does it matter what he said if he’s doing the opposite anyway

 

Maybe we have a different idea of what "asking the Congress" means. Maybe you think it means he is ordering a Big Mac, or KFC.