Rep. Massie cites Constitution to slam Biden's upcoming 'ghost gun' rule: 'Congress makes laws'

Your image is not specific enough. Is this a firearm?



Terms like "Assault weapon" "High capacity magazines" and "ghost gun" are used to trigger irrational fear. Turning a block of aluminum into a semi-auto firearm is not that complicated. How many criminals will stop making them?

BTW, my image is a BB gun.

 

Or maybe you think him unilaterally acting is equivalent to congress acting. He asked them yet he is doing

 

Trump isn't the president. Biden is and he's violating the Constitution. He should be impeached and removed, immediately.

 

Trump opened the door for this violation. The bad part is the courts have ruled in favor of his action. So what’s to stop Biden from redefining things in any other gun laws?

I don’t like it but if we don’t address the root of the problem that door will never be closed

 

If those words make you fearful, then so be it. And you are telling me this because..........?

Its fairly complicates, but its besides the point. This is about the kits which anyone can buy

 

He was explaining terms used to trigger the emotional reaction of the ill informed on guns. He never said he was fearful of guns but you can continue using things to debate that are fictional only in your head. It is only amusing to us

 

That's no justification for Biden to violate the Constitution.

 

Why not? The courts agreed that Trump could do it. Who else will stop him? There is already a court precedent set that this action is legal for a president. Unless we deem trumps move illegal Biden’s will remain legal.

This is why I was so opposed to Trump doing it. So many conservatives were like “oh, it’s just a bump stock, you can still do it with your finger”.


That’s not the point, the point is he set a legal precedent that was backed by the courts. What the hell good is our constitution if a president can unilaterally ban a gun item, or force companies to engrave numbers on something not even deemed a gun yet. If you can’t see the problem that Trump started and the later effects this will have for all foreseeable future then I’m wasting my time. The only way to demonize Biden is to demonize the precedent he is using to do it.

 

Only the ignorant are fearful when these false terms are used. They are fed to people to rebleat for the purpose of demonizing lawful gun owners. You are referring to 80% lower receivers. Its a block of aluminum. Gun laws failed to keep fully operational guns out of the hands of criminals and now people think they can prevent them from getting a chunk of metal. This fits the definition of insanity!


Here is a similar kit that can be made into a firearm with just more work:

 

Bump stocks aren't guns, first off. Biden is unilaterally outlawing gun ownership.

 

80% lowers are not guns either. They are a part, an unfinished part at that. Trump did outlaw a stock. In fact it was the first time a sitting president made a confiscation or destruction order with anything gun related. On top of that he done it unilaterally with the support of the courts, and the NRA.

Trump and anyone who supported his bump stock ban are no friends of gun enthusiasts. Unless you consider a gun enthusiast to be okay with what Biden and Trump are doing.

and in reply to the bold, Trumps redefined definition most definitely labels the bumpstock as a machine gun

 

Fearful of guns? No one said that. He said those words are used to trigger fear, and you seem to agree.

Did the words have that effect on you?

They don't have any effect on me, and the other poster admits they don't have the effect on him either, but he claims others do.

I'm a gun owner, and I don't see why such words should demonize me. Why do you feel demonized if someone says "high capacity magazine"? I mean.....seriously?

You claim its easy to turn a block of aluminum into anything, but its really not that easy. It requires skill, and machinery, Its much easier to buy a kit, and just put it together, because THAT is something anyone can do.

Not every gun owner plays with bump-stocks or orders gun kits.

 

One big problem is enforcement. All gun parts start out as raw materials. Currently, the ATF considers a firearm receiver to be a piece of metal that is 80% finished. Buying a 'ghost gun kit' is when you buy a receiver that is less than 80% finished, and you finish it yourself.

So if 80% isnt enough, what is? 50%? At some point we're just regulating random chunks of aluminum or steel. And thats going to be very expensive if every machined part that COULD be used to make a part of a firearm requires a background check, a serial number and records kept in a database... basically every hardware store would have be regulated as a gun store.

Has the Biden admin expressed how they plan to enforce this ban on 'gun kits'? Have they addressed the very simple loophole of just selling unfinished machined parts not advertised as a 'gun kit'?

 

It would be enforced by requiring the manufacturers of the kits to add serial numbers and perform background checks. It would not be hard to catch manufacturers who don't comply, and then again, why would they not comply? It is 100% water tight? No, nothing is.

ATF Los Angeles says 41% of the guns they confiscate are ghost guns.

 

Thats not the question. The question is- what's the difference between a 'ghost gun kit' and a 'not a ghost gun kit'? Manufacturers are going to sell untrackable 'collections of machined parts' that can be turned into guns no matter what the govt does. The question is, how many machined parts are we going to spend resources tracking and regulating? Everything thats within 80% of a functional gun part?
50%?
30%?

Whatever we set the % to, manufacturers will sell a kit that's 1% less to get around the paperwork. ...unless we set it so low that it includes parts for many other non-firearm items, but then we're spending massive amounts of money tracking things that are predominantly not being used to firearms... how much will it cost?

So how are these kits to be regulated? I'm sure you don't know the answer to these questions. The point is that no one knows. And the problem is that so many people are willing to just make a new law without asking how the law is going to solve the problem. The admin is trying to make laws without proposing how those laws will be effective.

There is no reasoning provided how this will prevent '41% of the guns they confiscate in LA being ghost guns.'

 

They should start taking the criminals off the street. Problem solved. But no, they'd rather refund the police and make life hard on law abiding citizens. This doesn't have ****all to do with crime prevention. It's about infringing upon our 2A rights.

 

Vast majority of manufacturers would obey. Why wouldn't they? Why do you assume everyone is so willing to break the law?

 

I have to wonder if you're even reading before you respond... manufacturers will keep selling 'ghost gun' kits lawfully. They'll just make the parts unfinished to whatever the ATF says 'isn't a firearm.' Currently that is at 80%. When people buy a 'gun kit' it comes with a receiver that they have to finish by drilling some holes or milling some slots to change it from a piece of metal that is not legally a firearm to a peice of metal that is legally a firearm. A 'ghost gun kit' is just a kit of parts that is not legally a firearm. How is a new law going to stop that from happening? Are they going to change the definition of what a firearm is?

 

Or maybe they'll just comply. Seems like a simple enough thing to do.

But then again, - I already said that. Maybe you are not reading the responses.

 

Selling a box of metal parts that isn't a firearm IS complying. How is the law changing? Are they making it illegal to sell any/all metal parts?

 

The Republicans are not your friends with regard to gun rights. They tend to be a little more reserved because their base will throw them out if they aren't.

Biden is doing this because he wants the appearance of doing something about the violent crime without actually doing anything. He can't lock up his supporters.

Yeah Republicans can be worthless sometimes.

 

No they're changing it. Cats weren't considered firearms because they're not firearms. That's the change what I'm confused about is what the hell does this have to do with anything

This is an effort for Biden to try and save face with his dismal performance on dealing with crime but these type of guns are something hobbyists spend thousands of dollars on. King bangers and thugs go buy a yeet Cannon off the back of some truck.

Just want to have **** to do with crime. Ghost guns just seems to be the new church lady version of Satan. This evil evil thing that we don't really even know exist but must be stopped.

 

So you're suggesting an auto parts store isn't a car dealership?

No.

 

How many criminals actually make them?

I would think a criminal would make a luty. Google luty machine gun is something you can assemble from junk you find at a hardware store. Much cheaper than paying a machinist to make precision parts.

Ghost guns assault weapons are terms used to manipulate the ignorant.