Repealing age limits for sexual relationships.

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  1. Landcover

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    My opinion on this question is different from "Only One Truth" most people fervently believe in. I don't think it's harmful for kids to have consensual sex without physical damage. And I think it must be legalized and become normal. I don't find scientific researches can be trusted here, because of tremendous sensitivity of the topic, it make them susceptible to multiple biases. Plus there is no any established theory explaining this hypothetical damage, so it's still is just a hypothesis. From moral point of view I simply deny morals when they don't fit practical reasons for making people happy. From you I wish to hear your reasons, why do you think such relationships cannot be legal and normal?
     
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    Why is your unsupported and clearly biased opinion any more trustworthy that the scientific research you unconditionally dismiss? Do you dismiss the research that would support your position too?

    How would you manage the question of when physical injury is possible or likely? It isn’t currently a legal restriction on consensual sex.

    Are you really seeking for there to be no differentiation between a 5-year old and a 15-year old in this context?

    Do you extend your principle to all of the other things children are legally prevented from consenting to or doing for similar reasons?

    In general terms, consent needs to be informed and young children don’t necessarily have the understanding or emotional maturity to make an informed decision. Given the difficulty in determining and managing whether a person can or not at an individual level, a definitive age limit is typically used drawn. It’s an imperfect answer but does serve to protect the truly vulnerable and for those who aren’t, not being able to (legally) have sex for a couple of years shouldn’t cause any harm. Additional considerations, such as mitigation, exceptions or simply overlooking in cases of young people just under the age of consent are used to mitigate the inconsistencies.
     
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    I deny that sex is harmful for children, denial doesn't need to be proved, unless what was denied is an established fact or very reasonable suggestion. For example you can deny existence of god. You can argue why atheism is reasonable, but you cannot prove your claim that god does not exist, and you don't need to.

    It all depends on research, I need to read it first.

    I think pain is a good indicator of possible physical injury. At the same time it's unlikely that the child will consent in this case.

    I think it must be. Even for adults.

    Yes, except in the second case penetration possibility is not a question.

    Absolutely No.

    That is the main point I do disagree with. Regarding previous answer I do not classify sex in the same group of things as: driving, voting, signing contracts etc. It's more like: eating ice cream, playing on the ground, kissing, hugging etc. Consent on such actions doesn't need to be informed.
     
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    Unfortunately because of gay marriage and how they interpreted the 14th amendment it has put us in a position where the legalization of other disgusting perversions like this guy is talking about are inevitable.
     
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    I'm a big opponent of any marriages. Perversion that I talking about become more and more ostracized every year and there is no signs it will be legal in foreseeable future.
     
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    No offense but your position that we should be able to have sex with 5 year olds puts your ability to reason and especially your opinions into extreme question.

    Regardless what signs do you think are needed? Homosexuals exhibited that you don't need to get the support of the populace to force your favored perversion into the status of legal protection. You simply need a court which is sympathetic to your claims of discrimination.

    And unfortunately a good lawyer could destroy the "consent" argument in a court of law.
     
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    You put in question my reasoning and opinions and then asking me questions? I see many signs that MSM become more and more accepted at the same time as ASC become less and less accepted. Homosexuality is not generally accepted, but it's not generally resisted too.
     
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    I never said anything about proof. You dismissed the opinions of researchers, which would be based on their scientific evidence, because they could be biased. The only difference between them and you is that you’re not producing any evidence to support your opinions and that you’re definitely biased.

    So you will consider any research whose conclusions you agree with but automatically dismiss any research whose conclusions you disagree with?

    It’s not a flawless indicator of injury (even if you’re explicitly limiting it to physical injury) and it wouldn’t be an easy factor to consider on the legal aspect.

    You think it should be illegal for adults to consent to sexual activity that could cause them physical injury?

    I’m not going to get it to any kind of detail here but you’re sadly wrong there. The point is that your proposal is a simple removal of any age restrictions on consent. Now you’re starting with new conditions based on age.

    Well one key point is that consent isn’t about permission for the individual to do something, it’s permission for them to do something to/with someone else. The significance of sex is a matter of opinion and it seems that you’re in a small minority on that point.
     
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    Kids having sex at 5 is probably as mentally-damaging as parents letting 5 year olds decide their gender.
     
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    Not could, they're forced to.

    As I said: you don't need evidences for denial. Can this scientific researches be trusted or not in this context doesn't matter, because there still is no scientific evidence that sex is harmful for minors.

    I already read enough researches that I disagree with. If there will be new researches with opposite results, I will need to consider them too. But in current situation this kind of research would be extremely unwelcome, and I doubt anyone will be dare enough to publish them.

    There is nothing flawless. Children do things, most of which are dangerous, sex can be just one of them.

    Any essensial damage, yes. We do not allow adults to use heavy drugs (except alcohol) for example, because it harms them. It's okay to forbid bad things even for adults.

    No, not based on age. I said consensual and without damage. If it's possible for 5 years old to be willingly penetrated without damage, I'm okay with that. No damage, no compulsion and that's it, age doesn't matter.

    If it's matter of opinion and not a fact, then it can be revised.
     
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    Was there ever a doubt that THIS would inevitably be the progression of the LGBT SJW socio-political agenda? The first mistake is in allowing children to choose their own gender identities years before they're legally permitted to engage in sexual activities. Parents who allow, or worse, condone a child declaring a sexual identity are paving the way for sexual abuse at the hands of pedophiles.
     
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    They (arguably, we) are? Can you prove that accusation? Rather pointless continuing otherwise.
     
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    I'm against it. Gender identity is not a personal choice but natural condition which can be determined only by specialists.
     
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    Chromosomes are the only specialists who need be consulted. Having delusions about your physical self, your natural biological self, is a mental disorder, not a physical challenge to overcome.
     
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    As I said any results on this issue different from expected can be extremely unwelcome and most likely will seriously touch researcher's reputation. No one want such risk.
     
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    Yes, it's a mental disorder and sex change is the best remedy. The younger is patient, the more efficient it is.
     
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    You could claim that about literally any area of scientific research. “The only reason nobody questions gravitational theory is that it would harm their reputation!”. Unless you can back up your accusation with anything other than your opinion, you’re edging towards libel (and please note the edit to my previous post that you missed when replying).
     
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    No, if you'll disprove gravitational theory you will receive Nobel prize. You don't need to disprove that sex is harmful for children though, because it never been proven, but if you will present extensive research with no clear signs of association between sex and harm you most likely will be slammed.
     
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    That's ridiculous. That's tantamount to saying the guy who thinks he's Jesus, the best way to treat him is give him plastic surgery and pretend he's actually Jesus.
     
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    Not tantamount, because Jesus is a mythological hero, not a biological feature. Jesus is not a gender, not race, not sexual orientation, it's a person. If you want to continue this discussion, we can make it in appropriate thread not here.
     
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    Lol so people can only have their delusions validated if they're delusions that you think are acceptable? snotloller

    Back on topic the fact that you don't understand, or more accurately refuse to acknowledge, that young children are easily misled, brainwashed and groomed to engage in certain detrimental behaviors far more easily than an adult who knows that what the other person is telling them is a lie shows your blatant disregard for the welfare of a child in your quest to get your rocks off with underage kids.
     
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    That is why it must be forbidden to teach them religion.

    Children must not be engaged in detrimental behaviors.

    Sex is not a lie. Claiming that sex is not detrimental is not a lie too.
     
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    Forbidden to teach religion but screw 5 year olds?

    You need Jesus..
     
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    Lol if you want me to stomp you out in a debate on religion I'll be more than happy to do it. But like you said start a thread about it.

    And what in the hell are you talking about? Grown people who have the mental capacity and the life experience to know better (neither of which do young children have) get manipulated, lied to and have their emotional state of mind taken advantage of for sex by disgusting perverts who are just trying to get their nut EVERY single day.

    What absurd reasoning are you using that makes you think that they won't do the same to young children who don't know any better and don't have the life experience to recognize a disgusting pervert taking advantage of them for sex?
     
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    Religion is harmful, sex is not.
     
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