Republicans fear they will win ObamaCare court battle-

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/244369-gop-fears-it-will-win-obamacare-court-battle


    Naturally, the irony of the headline "Republicans FEAR they will win...." is hilarious.....but true.

    With a "win" in the USSC, the GOP will lose.

    They will HAVE to pass a "quick and dirty" bill to fix the problem and it will have to be a Government support plan.

    And since their Tea Party Base consider all Government support plans (less Medicare if you are an elderly Tea Partyer, of course) to be "socialism"....

    the GOP Congress will be forced to pass....a "socialist health care insurance bill."
     
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    If they do "win", that is likely to happen though I believe it will be attached with enough poison pills so that Obama will be forced to veto it. That will allow them to noisily dance around like a cage full of howler monkeys on crack and proclaim that, once again, Obama has failed the people. Problem is that almost half of Americans will believe them.
     
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    Progs crack me up. :lol:

    Democrats will lose if the SCOTUS shocks the world and overturns the subsidies based on the language in the law. Everyone knows Babeuvian IlliteratiCare is all on the Democrats.

    The Republicans don't have to do anything, but they can provide a temporary parachute to lessen the impact of the Democrats' incompetence.

    It would be interesting to see how that would unfold, but I'm not expecting John Roberts & Co. to actually rule on the language in the statute...
     
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    This is so true. Obamacare is totally and completely owned by the Democrats. The public knows this and the public hates the ACA. The only thing a repeal of Obamacare will do is let Democrats off the hook. Obamacare is an albatross around the neck of every Democrat that is a reminder that the Democrats cannot actually govern and should never be left in charge of anything.

    As a conservative, I would like Obamacare to stick around as long as it continues to keep Democrats from gaining control of the House and Senate but as an American, I hope Obamacare dies a humiliating death because it harms so many people with little or no benefit.
     
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    It's fulfilled almost none of it's many promises. It's the perfect symbol for Barry's presidency.
     
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    I doubt it.

    Time after time, the President has shown he can beat the GOP.....every "defunding" manuever, etc.

    Boehner and McConnell always surrender eventually.
     
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    You do realize what the OP was getting at right? If the subsidies are taken away, it's not going to be good for the GOP. Not just among other people either. There are plenty of Republican voters that will be very unhappy about having their health insurance subsidies taken away from them.
     
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    What would SPECIFICALLY be involved in that "temporary parachute"?

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    Haven't you been hoping that for.....five years now?

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    Shhhhh.....let's let it be a surprise. :)
     
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    It really is. :lol:
     
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    Why would anyone want that? It is the goose that laid the golden egg for Republicans gaining power. So the answer is no. The legislation is crap, but it prevented the Obama agenda from happening by the shellacking the Democrats took in 2010 and 2014. But every goose eventually gets old and stops laying eggs. There just aren't that many Democrats left in the House and the Senate who supported the ACA. At that point, it is going to have to go.
     
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    Last time I checked? The GOP controlled the House AND Senate....

    what's stopping the ACA from "going"?!?!?!?
     
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    Yes. Almost as many unhappy voters as the ones who are angry because their insurance premiums are being jacked through the roof in order to subsidize those "free riders" Obama spoke of eliminating in his dishonest Obama Care campaign.

    I'd say it'll be a wash. http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...ease-non-group-premiums-in-nearly-all-states/
     
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    An argument that there are those out there who need subsidies, is NOT an argument that subsidies are beneficial for the Nation in the long run(it isn't). The entire ACA is based on a false economic premise that can only work as long as government conscripts you. We're adapting Stalinist policies in health care, and we've gotten to the point where we're accepting it? Even on the Left?

    Sad times.
     
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    Add to that list the immigration reforms the GOP said they were going to do. The GOP talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
     
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    Stalin would have left private insurance companies in charge? I doubt that very seriously.
     
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    I don't give a crap about Gorn's desperate attempts to find a clean end of that turd, and that goes for every other Obamapologist who is laughably trying to spin this potential faceplant into a problem for Republicans.

    ObamaCare is ALL on the Democrats, and this next possible fail will be ALL on them, too, just like ALL the other lies, broken promises and failures associated with that ill-conceived and poorly crafted law.

    And one last thing - most Americans and the vast majority of Republicans (if not all of them) don't like ObamaCare and would be more than happy to see it find the dumpster where it belongs.
     
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    No, he would've conscripted us all to a form of centralized government health care. Like right now. Me, personally I prefer a Hybrid system like Singapore. That's proven to be the true best solution. Cover those who need it absolutely, while allowing the free market to work for the vast majority of Americans who can perfectly take care of themselves.
     
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    Talon, what is Mitch McConnell's "secret plan" to "fix it" if the SCOTUS rules against the Administration?
     
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    Not true. Polling does show that more Americans say they don't like Obamacare than do. However, polling also shows clearly that the American people do not want the law repealed. Many people consider the ACA a small step in the right direction and are very disappointed the step wasn't bigger. Myself included.
     
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    Last time I checked the republicans don't have enough control (i.e. the numbers necessary) to push through whatever they want.
    So your post is just argumentative b.s.
     
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    Basically....the PPACA....is a combination of the rightwing Heritage Foundation's "individual mandate"....and the Republican "alternative to Hillarycare" from 1993.....

    of course today?.... it's "Stalinism" according to the Right.

    :)

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    They don't have "enough control"....to pass a bill? Sure Obama can veto it...but why not pass a bill to PROVE...

    they have a bill "ready to go for a Republican President in 2017"???


    They've been promising an "alternative to Obamacare".....for FIVE YEARS now.
     
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    Correct. What's astonishing is most republicans don't seem to even know that.
     
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    The veto Obama promised to wield against any repeal efforts. Weren't the Republicans mocked by you and your fellow Democrats for passing 41 bills to repeal Obamacare already? The answer, of course, is 'yes'.
     
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    They don't have a majority? They can at least pass a bill and if it gets vetoed by Obama that's on Obama. But you see, the GOP have proven time and time again, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

    No, GOP supporters just have excuse after excuse why they don't act.
     
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    No. This is revisionism run amok. (I always like it when I can work 'amok' into a sentence. Best word ever.) How many republicans voted for Obamacare? How many Republican Amendments were incorporated into Obamacare? How many Republicans gave any support whatsoever to Obamacare? How many Republicans campaigned on the merits of Obamacare? Add the sum of all those questions, and that is how much the republicans own the worst piece of legislature since the Aliens and Sedition Act.
     

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