Republicans fear they will win ObamaCare court battle-

It would be nice if liberals knew how the Senate worked. It must be willful ignorance.

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True, never underestimate the power of "free stuff". It's the only platform the Democrats have.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

 

interpretation of the law, but of course the ones that wrote it are still alive and say that was not the intent of the law

 

You should ask Boehner and McConnell that question.
There are the optics of Obama simply squashing any attempts to reel in the snake oil but I agree...republicans should offer a viable alternative.

It'll come in handy when Obama Care collapses because it couldn't even overcome it's own verbiage.

 

Re-read what you posted. Re-read what i posted. Stop.. Take a deep breath and think about it and then try replying to me again. If you dont repeat all those steps dont bother replying to me. In other words stop wasting my time. Thanks.

 

LOL...they've acted until blue in the face and Obama and his minions have simply steamrollered this snake oil law purely, 100% along party lines.

If the republicans introduce a plan it's called obstructionism and money wasting and if they don't the quislings on the left attack them for that too.

It's clear as written Obama Care is doomed to fail so you're going to see a plan whether you like it or not.
And I'd say the whiners that complain when their subsidized health care is in jeopardy are going to be more than counter balanced by all the people who've seen their premiums skyrocket and are now going to be getting relief from all the "free riders" Obama claimed his plan would do away with (yet another Obama Care lie).

 

No, it's another leftie fantasy, just more lefties trying to conjure up a nonexistent reality.

Nothing new here.

The GOP will "have to" do no such thing.

The GOP base wants it to repeal the ACA and replace it with nothing.

Why would the lefties believe anything different?

Well, if you believe the GOP is going to pass anything (by force or otherwise) without the participation of the insurance companies you're two pepperonis short of a pizza.

And, if the insurance companies are involved, and there's anything at all "socialistic" about the plan, then I can tell you exactly what form it's going to take: taxpayer subsidies. That's it, that's all.

What will not happen is the GOP rubber-stamping the idiotic private insurance mandate. Everyone knows it's illegal and unconstitutional (except for that idiot Roberts, who doesn't seem to know much of anything at all), and the GOP will get rid of that quickly, because their voting base will demand it. (No amount of insurance money will get a Senator to voluntarily give up his/her voting base).

 

The republicans took back Congress on the promise they would repeal or defund obamacare. Where is the defunding? Oh yeah they haven't. Typical talk the talk but don't walk the walk and you support theses snake oil salesmen, guess they duped you good lol.

They said they would regardless and haven't. Again you and the GOP supporters are the ones getting duped lol.

And after this "clear as day" prophecy you worship the GOP have done NOTHING to defund it even though they claimed they would. The only ones that are getting fooled are GOP supporters.

 

How can you be duped when you know Boehner, McConnell and the weak kneed sell out wing of the party will fight and sabotage anything
the others try to do.

I support conservatives. Not necessarily the GOP. You don't seem to be even faintly aware of the difference.

Any talk of defunding brings on threats of government shut down and then the government approved media goes crazy and then the gutless lose their nerve.

 

Exactly right. If they had stuck to that strategy, it would have worked. But they caved. Early. Without so much as barely putting up a fight. For exactly the reason you say. They can't take the heat. They are afraid of using their powers. These clowns are so stupid they don't understand that the power is meant to be used. It's worthless if it isn't being used. That power is there for a reason, for exactly reasons like this. And the gutless spineless cowards in Congress failed entirely, they failed so bad the thing on their faces isn't even egg.

 

So you're telling me that the six million or so booted off their insurance policies, a majority of whom had insurance for the first time and who won't be able to afford their own policies ...

Are going to go out and vote Republican.

Okay

 

To grease the skids of any particular argument, I suppose that anyone could make up a "law". We could have one called "Burt's Law" that sagely observes that whenever you throw sugar out on a sidewalk, ants will come and carry it off to their nest. So, this "Godwin" is some kind of philosopher because he says that all comparisons to the greatest menace to civilization of the past one hundred years are automatically invalid...?! Did someone pay him to write that...? How do ordinary people get paid to write such ordinary fluff...?

I prefer to deal in FACTS.

And the FACT is that Barack Obama is an overbearing, power-grabbing liar, deceiver, and manipulator on a scale not seen in the presidency since one of your other great Socialist saints, Frankie Roosevelt. Obama has made it crystal clear that he intends to rule by Executive Decree, with his "pen-and-phone" anytime Congress doesn't kiss his ass and give him everything he wants. "HITLER" IS AS "HITLER" DOES. The biggest difference between Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama is that Hitler bothered to get permission from his Congress (the German Reichstag) for permission to run the government by executive decree, through an "Enabling Act": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Obama is a liar and the truth is not in him. He lied through his dripping teeth about Obamacare repeatedly, and he broke the War Powers Act in his illegal overthrow of the Libyan government in 2011 which has resulted in an Islamo-Nazi chaos throughout North Africa. He has launched one failed, misguided foreign policy initiative after another which have only weakened us everywhere, confused our allies, and emboldened our adversaries.

But Obamacare was his crowning, signature "achievement", built on lies, lies, and more damned lies. I would have loved to have seen the SCOTUS throw out the whole stinking unconstitutional "mandate" fraud instead of re-writing it for this socialist regime and somehow converting it into something that is "legal". Now, if SCOTUS finds that the welfare-shoveling "subsidy" giveaways are unconstitutional, the Republicans should just let it shrivel and DIE. And die it will, because a thinly-disguised ruse like Obamacare was never anything but a socialistic welfare handout in the first place! Parasites were never supposed to be self-supporting, and neither was Obamacare....

 

Lol, so after having Godwin's law pointed out you double down?

 

O.M.G. I do believe I've located another believer in the Free Lunch. Sorry, BV, but regardless of what Repubs tell you, that there is a land where money grows on trees, where wars will be paid for by the people we attack or even funded by everyone going shopping, it just isn't so.

Actually, most of it has, and it would be even better if red state governors and legislators would help:

..since [Obama] signed the law in March 2010, more than 16 million uninsured Americans have been covered, driving the uninsured rate to the lowest level ever recorded. Americans can no longer be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Health care prices and employer premiums have been rising at very low rates. There are no more annual or lifetime limits on how much insurers have to pay for care. And as for the claim by Republicans that the program is a “job killer,” the nation has experienced 63 straight months of private-sector job growth, starting the month the act was passed.

 

You never clarified anything about this "Godwin's Law" that you seem to think is so meaningful, and didn't comment on anything I said about Obama being a crass liar, a power-grabber, or anything I pointed out about Obamacare. Did your esteemed Godwin have any comment at all on the undeniable truth that a "Hitler" IS as a "Hitler" DOES...?!

But yours, Rahl, is no more than typical "snipe-and-run" hyperliberal diversion and evasion, which we see all the time from your faction in this forum. Honestly, you do a much more focused job of defending your glorious Führer's peculiar birth-mythology, and maybe that's about the limit of your core-competency after all....
"Hey, at least I bothered to get permission from my Congress before I started acting like a dictator!"

 

What ironic commentary considering all the "free riders" (that Obama claimed to abhor) getting their subsidized health care by raising the premiums of everyone else.

There may be no such thing as a free lunch for those that have to subsidize health care for others. For those being subsidized however, don't worry...someone else will pick up your check. Just enjoy your lunch.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/how-affordable-is-the-affordable-care-act-118428.html
Fees set to rise drastically in 2016, Say...isn't Obama leaving office then?

 

As soon as you make a hitler or nazi comparison you automatically lose the argument. That's Godwin's law.

Right wing lies have already been pointed out. No need to continue beating that dead horse.

So now you want to tripple down? Lol

Wow! 2 Godwin's in 2 different contexts. I'm truly impressed.

 

How do the children put it... "epic fail"...? Once again you responded with absolutely nothing, Rahl.

You usually provide a more animated, functioning response than this, but, I see that when you stray from the narrow confine of issues surrounding Obama's birthplace, you rapidly get out of your depth. One last time, Rahl, and this says it all: a "Hitler IS as a "Hitler" DOES. Now, run along and recite your goofy little Godwin mantra to anyone else who finds profundity in it....

"Hey, I've got a pen and a phone, and the Supreme Court in my hip pocket! What do I need a Constitution for...?"

 

4 straight Godwin's.

My you are persistent.

 

What you and others on the right never seem to be able to grasp is that you were paying for those people's health care when they got really sick. Not only for their care, but taxes to support the hospitals where they were admitted for lack of said care. Their missed hours of work, or even if they were found to be disabled also added to the tax bills. And, I'm sorry, but we just don't (or shouldn't) kick people to the curb and let them die (I know that is a preferred Republican solution, but one that I find offensive). Not then, because of Obamacare, we have more people than ever who are insured, who are not worried about bankruptcy, and able to hold their heads up in public instead of clogging up emergency rooms looking like a bunch of derelicts.

Yep. Been waiting for the massive job losses, dramatic increases in insurance costs, economic collapse, increase hair loss and every other calamity to strike this country since Obamacare passed. Hasn't happened. That's why Mitch McConnell and Republicans promised us that they would 'repeal and replace' the ACA. That was BEFORE it was signed. Have you seen their replacement (one that would make sense, of course, and take us back to those thrilling days of yesteryear with double digit increases, massive increases in bankruptcy due to medical bills, people suffering because they didn't have the insurance to pay for necessary treatments that could be lifesaving, etc.). Here's how one op-ed writer put it in today's AJC:

I vividly remember being in a room with McConnell back in April 2010 as he laid out the Republican promise to “repeal and replace” Obamacare. Their new plan would extend coverage to those with pre-existing conditions and lower premiums, all without tax increases, he told us...

Five years, and it’s still “we’ll let you know.”

McConnell and his colleagues have been playing a shell game, promising us that they had a magic pea under one of those shells that they were constantly shuffling around on the table in front of us. Ladies and gentlemen, there is no magic pea; there is no GOP plan to replace Obamacare. There never was and never will be.

They got nothin’.

 

I can keep this up as long as you can... what's that now, the fourth of your replies in a row in which you have said essentially nothing besides bringing up this Godwin person? Would I be less likely to trip your spring-loaded "Godwin trigger" if I simply said, referring to Obama and his socialist autocracy, "If the shoes fits, wear it"...?

 

Well, you would need to define socialism and provide me specific policy examples you feel makes him a socialist.

 

You've missed the point... the word you need to focus on (à la "Godwin") is autocracy. What Hitler and Obama have in common, more than anything else, is the desire to inflict autocratic rule on the people. Hitler used the tools of his day, including the carte blanche he received from the German Congress (the Reichstag). Obama uses a "pen-and-phone" and the thinly-veiled threat of having his minions curse anyone who opposes him as "racist".

Obama is a socialist autocrat! His nascent socialism has already taken the form of an enormous swelling of the American Welfare State, complete with many millions more Americans getting welfare-suck from the government, millions more fraudulently claiming Social Security "disability", "subsidies" for Obamacare, food stamp SNAP cards, rent subsidies, TANF payouts, utility subsidies, subsidized cellphones, etc., etc.

But you KNOW all this Rahl.... Can't you do any better than this...? Go back to defending Obama's birthplace in Hawaii... you do a much more responsive job of that than trying to be clever using this "Godwin" crap....

 

Please, please, please - go read some history books.

 

That 85% only comes from those who could actually afford it though. It ignores entirely the people who couldnt afford health care and were left out in the cold. Just like the conservatives like it.