Republicans will have to run on Trump®Care in November, 2018

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  1. Chuck711

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    That is a ridiculous statement.
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Cogent point.

    The fake promise of his "something terrific!" health plan that covers "everybody!" is exposed by that reality.

    His lie about conducting a nationwide search to locate his cojones and confront Big Pharma, is a major aspect of health insurance costs soaring under Trump.

     
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    I think you are arguing that Obamacare health insurance costs are increasing due to prescription drugs. Could you source that? I've not heard that claim made in the Trump era.
     
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    Somewhat of a stale talking point by now. The ground has shifted beneath your feet.

    Affordable Care Act Gains Majority Approval for First Time (4/2017)
    Study: GOP Healthcare Plan Least Popular Bill in Three Decades (7/2017)


    More Would Blame Trump, GOP for Higher Health Care Costs (10/2017)
    Election Results Suggest GOP Lost Edge on Health Care (11/2017)

    Poll: 60 percent to blame Trump, GOP for ObamaCare problems (11/2017)
    Pew: Declining Confidence in Trump, Lower Job Ratings for Congressional Leaders (11/2017)
    Americans Trust Democrats More to Handle Healthcare: Poll (11/2017)
    For the first time, more Americans say 2010 health care law has had a positive than negative impact on U.S. (12/2017)

    On Health Care, Democrats are Shifting to Offense (1/2018 )
    After Pa. Special Election Results, Democrats May See Health Care As Winning Issue In Midterms (3/2018 )

    Voters Say Health Care Is A Top Issue In The 2018 Election — A Good Sign For Democrats (4/2018 )
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Health insurance premiums rising under Trump and Trump's failure to honour his pledge to let Medicare negotiate for lower prescription drug prices both contribute to the rising medical costs under Trump. Of course, the inflated Rx costs that are covered by insurance contribute to higher insurance premiums as an actuarial inevitability.
     
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    TrumpCare is a loser for the GOP this fall, as it should be.
     
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    No the claim made in the Trump era was everyone was going to have great health insrance at much lower cost. Instead less people are going to have insurance at much higher rates thanks to Trumpcare!
     
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    Well you said that RX costs were a major aspect to the rise of the Obamacare health insurance costs. I'm sure that's a factor, but I would be surprised if it's a "major" source. So again, could you source this? How much a percentage of the increase in premium costs are due to prescription drugs?
     
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    Right but...we don't have Trumpcare, we have Obamacare. Did everyone forget that Trump failed to get any healthcare legislation through last year?
     
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    The Trump Administration's deliberate (and successful) efforts to drive up premiums and erode coverage are what most people mean by "Trumpcare" these days.
     
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    Most people? I've only heard it on this forum, maybe more specifically, in this thread. There is no "Trumpcare." Trump failed to get any of his proposed health bills through. I assume this is some sort of weird talking point to but the failures of Obamacare on Trump.

    Even MSNBC isn't calling it Trumpcare!
     
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    Exchanges with no CSRs, no individual mandate, and deliberate efforts to depress enrollment are "Trumpcare." We saw the results in 2018 (Trump added ~20% to premium increases on average) and it looks like his 2019 results will be comparable.

    People aren't blind.
     
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    No they aren't, so I don't think your "Trumpcare" is going to stick. Nice try though.
     
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    You
    can define "major" in regard to Trump's failing to to honour his pledge to let Medicare negotiate for lower prescription drug prices however you need to. Big Pharma may regard the profits they derive as a consequence of such a surrender by Trump as "major."
     
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    You're so right ! Trump owns it now. He's tried everything possible to destroy the ACA as he gloats about it.

    Mostly to get funding for his Wealth Shift Legislation so Republicans tried to pass Trash Healthcare that covered nothing.

    As with Pennsylvania Special Election whose voters recoiled against the Republicans who tried to repeal the ACA with no suitable replacement
    the coming elections will be vindictive against Republican's for attempting to steal America's healthcare.
     
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    So you're not going to back up anything. Got it.
     
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    Of the older Americans who voted for the P*ssy Grabber because of his fake promise to replace the Affordable Care Act with "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!", the educated ones are realizing they were snookered and are not happy about it.

    His phony vow to bring down the cost of Rx drugs by allowing Medicare to negotiate prices is also a major concern.

    Trump's groveling before the Big Pharma cartel combined with his legislative impotence in repealing 'ObamaCare' and enacting an improved plan will be rewarded in November.

    'A new study reveals. U.S. employers expect their health care costs to increase by 5.5 percent in 2018, up from a 4.6 percent increase in 2017."

     
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    But he has cut subsidies and eliminate the requirement to carry insurance so we now truly have Trumpcare. And none of his proposals would have gotten even close to fulfilling his promise of great health insurance for all Americans which is why the Republicans couldn't pass his crap even controlling Congress.
     
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    I think that's a dumb talking point that isn't going to stick since Trump can still continue to run against Obamacare. It might hold weight with a dozen or so posters here, but not to the wider public. But I guess if you want to complain about how terrible healthcare coverage is now, based on the current Obamacare law, I think Republican candidates running this year will welcome that conversation.
     
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    Well ain't nobody going to run on how bad healthcare coverage is now based on Obamacare because as demonstrated we are now under Trumpcare. Noted that you can't argue that Trump hasn't made everything worse since being elected and the American people are not quite as stupid as the Republicans keep hoping. Trump hasn't fulfilled his election promises on healthcare and doubt that America will keep blaming Obama.
     
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    Heh! It sounds like you are hoping that the general voting public is as stupid as many of the posters on this forum are who are trying to get #Trumpcare into a thing. I'm betting that isn't the case, but you are free to try.
     
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    Trump already told his base he repealed Obamacare.



    Regardless of what you call it, his administration has been intentionally driving up premiums for two years now. I doubt that has escaped notice.
     
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    Actually the fact that a significant number of voters swallowed Trump's promises would indicate that stupidity is rife in the land. But at least you aren't argueing thst Trump has kept his campaign promises.
     
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    "intentionally"

    Heh, OK. Waiting for the PAC ads running against "Trumpcare."
     

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