Require immigrants speak English?

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Require immigrants speak English?

  1. No, this is a free country and they can speak whatever language they like.

    9 vote(s)
    23.1%
  2. No, but require English be the language of official govt. business.

    18 vote(s)
    46.2%
  3. Yes, this is America and you should only speak English!!!!

    2 vote(s)
    5.1%
  4. Speak your language at home, speak English in public!!!!

    14 vote(s)
    35.9%
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  1. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    Why is it that every time you are proven wrong, you attempt to change the subject. Let me help, you have no answer.
     
  2. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't change the subject, you did.

    I wasn't talking about international companies, I was talking about american companies, in america, just like the thread title.

    You're not.
     
  3. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Under U.S. Law and international law if you are not a citizen of the country you are in, you are an alien.

    If you are in possession of a valid visa that hasn't expired ( tourist, business, diplomatic, work, immigrant, student visas) you are a legal alien. All other foreign nationals are illegal aliens.
     
  4. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    It was an American company, doing business on American soil and selling American goods to foreign markets that makes an American multinational corporation. I'm not even speaking of the office we had around the globe.

    So again, instead of answering the question now you want someone else to start a new thread, again trying to change the subject. I get it, you made an ignorant statement but when challenged the other person is at fault.
     
  5. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    I'm an alien born upon the land but it's the illegal I'm having a problem with. Where do you come up with this concept of legal or illegal. John Locke had this problem:


    Locke is a man with such clarity of mind to come up with this superb statement and then spends the rest of his work justifying bowing to a king. The law of nature is too travel freely but do no harm.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    America is a FREE COUNTRY.

    legal residents and citizens are welcome to speak any language they like here.

    dont like it? tough ****.

    mind your own business.
     
  7. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Legal, illegal both are legal terms.

    How about "unauthorized" ?

    Under U.S. statue you can use "unauthorized" instead of "illegal."
     
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    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, It's totally off topic

    Monarchy is far to be the worst of regime. I'm no monarchist, but I'm not a fervous republican (in the french context).
    I think that a lot of kings cared more of their country that some "democratic" leaders.
    I think that monarchy falled down in western europe because of gunpowder :
    Monarchy in europe were based on the division of society into three orders : bellatores (the one who fight), oratores (knowledge, religion and morality) and labotores (manual work).

    During the 15th century, that what looked like a noble :
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    A skilled warrior who trained all his youth to become a good warrrior.

    Then what it looked like during 18th century :
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    A ****** (no homophobia intented) with a wig and heels, a parasite unable to fight or have any usefull role in the society.

    What happened ? Gun powders happened and made knights and nobles unusefull for what they were supposed to do.

    About Rome, what happened ?
    Rome was based on war and strict discipline. When the roman empire renounced to expand, they renounced to the base of their society.

    About christianity, if we consider world history, I have the feeling that every region of the world had their big religious turmoil at a moment :
    Europe had christianity, India had a lot of trouble, those troubles would have led to the birth of buddhism, in China, Buddhism take an important place, but two other specific religions appears : Confucianism and Taoism.

    Apparently, at a moment of their development, all civilizations knew religious change.

    That what happened in the western world globally, a lot of people left christianity for atheism or are just passive christians (they says they are christian but never go to the church or don't really believe in god).
     
  9. AlNewman

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    Who "unauthorized" me? Even better, what makes you think statues apply to non-citizens? You keep describing people as illegal, what makes them illegal; their presence or the fraud they commit by taking what is not theirs to take?
     
  10. APACHERAT

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    Natural Law aka Law of Nature.
     
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    As if the schatholes they created south of the US border needs to be expanded.
     
  12. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shitholes are like a malignant cancer cell.

    Only walls can stop the spread.
     
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    At last a fact, forget the Romans. This thread is about force and violence against another because they do not speak the language another desires. The Roman's were but an example of that violence but on the positive side, they did spread Latin over a large area. Latin is a dead language this is so useful in society today, especially law.

    But it all keeps coming back to the prime point, by what right do you support the force and violence against another because they do not speak your language?
     
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    I never supported that, I just said it is more polite.
     
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    And were they dealing with customers in their stores in Swahili? No?

    Of course the managers and people in an international company are going to speak different languages. You know why?

    They're in different countries.

    An American company on American soil dealing with American customers needs to speak English. This is a fairly universal rule in every country.

    Trying to pretend that some board meeting between people from different countries using interpreters to talk business is even remotely the same thing is just disingenuous.
     
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    The only real law, immutable never to change. Latin describes it the best; malum in se, evil in itself in opposition to malum prohibitum; evil by prohibition of man. Any attempt to require another to do something not of their own free will would be malum prohibitum which always results in malum in se, the use of violence against another.
     
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    If that is what you feel, go for it.
     
  18. AlNewman

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    Argumentum ad nauseam, no matter how many times a falsehood is repeated, it does not become true. The universal rule is you deal with customers in the language that makes them feel comfortable or your competitor will.

    The only question that remains is how many repetitions you will need to make to convince yourself what you say is true? This is the part that doesn't involve me.
     
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    For crying out loud, conservatives can be so selectively authoritarian. Can't get rid of guns no matter how many lives they take, but heaven forbid an immigrant speak a language other than English!

    People who would simultaneously make these arguments are clearly not thinking straight. Partisan ideology (sheep mentality) will do that.
     
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    ban abortion

    ban weed

    ban speaking languages in public other than Englsh

    ban immigration

    legalize racial discrimination.


    soo much for Freedom, Liberty, Equality from the GOP
     
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    You call killing babies freedom, liberty and equality? I will bet the babies don't think so.
    We don't need any immigration, if fact, we need to trim the USA population down to 160 million again by letting our declining birth rate take us there..
    A single language has served us well through our history
    Racial discrimination is a right, you can associate whom you please. 13th amendment and basic rights. Now that does not include the government who MUST treat everyone equal, just if I don't want to sell my house a white male, I have that right to not sell it to them. It is MY property. Sure, people should not be that way, but it is their right.
    weed is ok, less harmful than alcohol.

    Freedoms seem to bother you because others may use their freedoms in ways you may not like.
     
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    Not just speak English, but have a job lined up (or be independently wealthy), foreswear female genital mutilation, and hug a Jewish woman.
     
  23. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    most abortions take place long before they can be called "babies".

    more like simply homosapien blobs that may or may not become people
     
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    So there is something wrong and or immoral over an American customer of an american business to both voluntary to agree to transact business in any other language but English?

    Why oh why is it anyone else concern what language they happen to use in their conversations?

    In great areas of this nation there are large populations of people that even if they are citizens feel more comfortable talking to each other even for business matters in a language other then English and I still can not see the harm of them doing so.

    Hell roughly one third to one fourth of my cable stations is broadcasting in Spanish not English to meet the demands of those who are more at home in Spanish then English.
     
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    What a bunch of hogwash. I did not advocate dictating that someone has to speak English, in fact I specifically said that I don't care what they speak so don't go putting ****ing words in my mouth. I said only that government documents should only be available in one or two languages and not more. What languages you have your government forms in is not coercion. By your retarded logic if someone who spoke Swahili came to America and couldn't find government documents in their language then they were coerced. Do you even know what the definition of coercion is?


    Spanish is not surpassing English in fact its the other way around. Within a few years there will be more English speaking Chinese than there are Americans. Its is the fastest growing second language in the world by far. There are currently estimated to be over 4 billion people with English as a second language. No other language even approaches that.

    Having multiple languages on your forms says absolutely nothing other than you have lots of people speaking different languages...nothing more and nothing less.
     
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