Reverse psychology; Trump deserves full credit for two SUCCESSFUL vaccines

Trump accuses Pfizer and Moderna withholding SUCCESSFUL clinical trial results

Trump accuses Pfizer and Moderna of working to stop his re ...
https://www.independent.co.uk › ... › US Election 2020Nov. 21, 2020 — Mr Trump then took shots at the drug companies who announced their successful vaccines in the wake of the presidential election. “Pfizer and ...


Trump takes credit for Pfizer Vaccine SUCCESS

Trump Falsely Takes Credit For Pfizer Vaccine Success ...
https://www.forbes.com › sites › roberthart › 2020/11/10Nov. 10, 2020 — Trump's Operation Warp Speed didn't fund the Pfizer drug, though the government did agree to buy the vaccine when approved.

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Considering the fact that near 45% of Republicans don't want to get vaccinated, are

Trump's SUCCESSFUL vaccines, still successful?

In other words, how come near 45% of Republicans are scared of two SUCCESSFUL vaccines?

 

If Pres Trump had been spending the last several months urging people to get vaccinated instead of rehashing the same claims about election fraud which he just wont [cant] prove I bet we'd be at like 80% vaccinated by now.

 

Glad to see you dutifully following Trumps advice.

 

Maybe if democrats had not been sowing doubt about the vaccines eh?

 

What doubt(s)?

Example?

 

Claim; I don't want to get vaccinated because Democrats have been sowing doubt about Trump's successful vaccines.

IMO, a very lame excuse, and POLITICAL.

By the way, the actual doubt sowers are Tucker and Trump.

 

I have no interest in the partisanship debate, but the claims the vaccines in use in the US are not capable of preventing infection hurt acceptable rates. They can and do prevent infection and that shouldn’t have been misrepresented.

The vaccines are great. Vaccine advocates messed up the “marketing” of the rollout. Plus, the people in government responsible for the vaccine rollout had severely damaged their reputations by giving misinformation and disinformation on other subjects. I warned last August of the negative consequences of less than full transparency and honesty by experts. Unfortunately there was neither honesty or transparency and now there is mistrust.

 

What doubts were Dems sowing? I can go back to summer 2020 where Dems were doubting Trump's honesty about vaccines and delivery dates - but they were completely legitimate, considering Trump's history with 'the truth'. Once the vaccines were being rolled out by Pharma, they got on board.

 

Quote: ''but the claims the vaccines in use in the US are not capable of preventing infection hurt acceptable rates''

Here are WELL KNOWN FACTS released/published during Trump's Presidency


Trump's successful vaccines EFFICACY, announced November/December 2020

For example; Pfizer's vaccine efficacy;

1. Nov 10, 2020........The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 beginning 2 weeks after the second dose.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ntech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

2. December 2020.........After the first dose, and before the second dose; 52% effective

According to Pfizer data published in December 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is roughly 52% effective after the first dose. Out of 36,523 participants in the phase three trial – the final stage of testing where people either received two full doses, 21 days apart, or a placebo – who had no evidence of existing infection, 82 people in the placebo group and 39 in the vaccine group developed Covid-19 symptoms.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210114-covid-19-how-effective-is-a-single-vaccine-dose

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THE MATH

If we assume 100 million were vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna

After one dose; 52% effective (52 million immuned), 48 million will remain unprotected, however, one dose will likely reduce the severity of an infection.

After the second dose; 94% effective (94 million immuned), 6 million will remain unprotected.

 

You sir do not know the difference between preventing infection and preventing symptomatic/asymptomatic disease.

My post only has relevance to those who know the difference.

There have been several PF members who have expressed hesitancy and mistrust because of the misinformation about prevention of infection.

 

You mean VP Harris and Gov Cuomo and a few others I assume? Yea that was pretty stupid of them, and obviously purely political.

 

What does that have to do with people not getting a vaccine on the side that was cheering for it?

 

Biden too.

 

I’m not aware of any misinformation about prevention of infection.

The 4 common sense prevention measures are:

Wear a mask
Clean your hands
Keep your distance
Keep gatherings to a minimum

And all of the above common sense prevention measures have been echoed a thousand times by our health officials.

Thus, what misinformation?

 

Yea I can take swings at Pres Biden too over COVID. For one he essentially campaigned on a nation wide mask mandate and then all we ever got out of him was a limp wristed requirement EO for places that already had their own mask requirements. And the huge one, of course, his CDC changed the guidance on masks, against mounting opposition that it was premature, right as Delta was starting to surge, and now that its crystal clear we're heading into another outbreaks he still hasn't ordered his CDC to flip the mask switch back on.

 

Very few deaths so I don’t think you understand that the fear mongering about the D variant is more about trying to scare people into taking the jab. The masks we wear are virtually useless.

 

Quote: The masks we wear are virtually useless

Since the 16th century, sick people have been covering their mouth and nose when coughing or sneezing.

Expression; Keep your sneezes and coughs to yourself, it may prevent those around you from getting sick. AGREE!

Thus, logically, any mask may prevent, or help reduce the spread of a virus.

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Next..... There have been no fearmongering about the D variant. Our politicians, health officials, and the media were just raising awarness about a serious variant.

Question; Where does the Delta variant come from?

Answer; India

Question; Are the following headlines about the Delta Plus variant FEARMONGERING?

India Signals Alarm About New 'Delta Plus' Variant - WebMD
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'Delta plus': India declares new COVID-19 variant to be of ...
https://globalnews.ca › news › covid-variant-delta-plus-...Jun. 22, 2021 — India's federal health ministry said Delta plus showed increased transmissibility and advised states to increase testing.

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https://www.npr.org › 2021/06/23 › india-has-detected-a-...
Jun. 23, 2021 — Viruses mutate all the time, and not all variants are worrying. But the Indian government has classified this one as a variant of concern. Its ...


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ACCORDING TO THE REPUBLICANS, any news/public awarness about a new variant is FEARMONGERING.........''Here we go again, THEY gonna tell us to re-mask, and keep our distance.....fearmongering, fearmongering, fearmongering.

 

The masks we use stop droplets in the 5 micrometer range. Viruses are much smaller so masks are virtually invisible to them so do not stop aerosolized viruses.

Masks work much better on bacteria.

 

I also understand the Republicans..........I was once a project coordinator for ConocoPhillips.........

One guy I've never seen before walked into my shack. I asked him; Who are you? I'm your WHS guy. Really??????......to make the long story short; this safety guy was so annoying..........safety meetings, he never stop talking, and very repetitive..........and breathing down people's neck all over my site.

HOWEVER, despite his faults, he was paid to do his job.

Thus, in reference to Covid19/New Variants, perhaps Republicans have grown tired of hearing the same ole same ole, and ''here we go again, they gonna tell us to remask, and keep our distance''

Hey Mr./Mrs. Republican, have you heard about the new variant? First word that pop into their head; Fearmongering

In fact, we've all grown tired of hearing the same ole, same ole.

 

Of course you aren’t. You thought prevention of disease was synonymous with prevention of infection. How would you be aware of detail when you don’t even understand the macro? For months the narrative was that vaccines only lessen severity of disease and do not prevent infection. Even after neutralizing IgA antibodies were found in serum and mucosa of the upper respiratory system of vaccinees, we were told there was no evidence infection could be prevented in the upper respiratory system. We now have peer reviewed published studies documenting these antibodies but nobody is aware of their importance let alone their existence. It was a huge mistake to tell people these vaccines aren’t capable of preventing infection.

It was not common sense or good advice to recommend against wearing high quality masks. Nor was it good advice to recommend mask usage only in situations where your risk of infection was 6 times less than in places masks weren’t recommended. That’s not only bad advice, it’s denial of science, and led to hundreds of thousands of deaths that didn’t have to happen. You were easily fooled.

It’s also a shame we know what the major comorbitities are, but nobody was encouraged to lose weight, correct type 2 diabetes, or increase exercise even though these actions would have saved lives pre vaccine and post vaccine because these health conditions are also known to decrease efficacy of vaccines. You were fed a couple relatively ineffective mitigations while the big stuff was ignored by the experts and by a society that if it was composed of critical thinkers would have protected themselves even when experts failed to.

 

Care to tell the class what size the respiratory droplets that the virus travels on are?

https://www.livescience.com/face-mask-visualization-droplets-covid-19.html

 

I am on a couple of other forums and the rumblings from die-hard Trump supporters is that he's a lunatic if he thinks they can convince him to get vaccinated. It was quite surprising to read that because that crowd REALLY loves him. They just are ignoring his comments on the vax.

 

With the exception of Orange Jesus I am not aware of another human being that knows everything about everything. So, it's a bit unfair to say because people aren't thinking critically they have somehow failed. Why or how would the average person even know where to being with the science behind all this? I don't want to sound like I'm ragging on people but I get shocked at least once a month when having conversations with my neighbors. I have some medical experience so I can usually handle most things at home but you wouldn't believe me if I told you some of the questions people ask me. My "inside voice" is thinking "How in the world is this person able to live on their own?"

And, I think people are just plain worn out. I have some online friends in other countries and they are all just as frustrated. Last February or March Trump told us it was going to just disappear. We're at 18 months now and still counting.

 

oh please

do you make personal decisions based upon what an elected or un-elected official says? Why do you feel that others in this country are incapable of rational thought? Arrogance is not a good trait

 

HOLY COW. I honestly never thought I would read such words from you. Let us also not forget that the things you cited as well as smoking inhibits the ability of the body to heal.

I have posted countless times asking why we never hear about co-morbidities when numbers are reported; or when we get the article du jou of "anti-masker" dies from covid

And, why was it never spoken that yes, those of you in your 20's, 30's and 40's who are healthy as a horse might catch covid, but will recover and, will then have antibodies and should donate plasma?