Rightwingers: America is Multi-Racial. Get used to it.

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  1. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's not uncommon on this forum to read posts which overtly, or covertly, wish that the US was all-white. Whether that would be a good thing or not is pointless. I wish I were a millionaire, but I'm not, so I must make the best of what I am.

    It's worse than pointless, in fact, if you are on the Right.

    If you want to exercise political power, if you want to have some influence in how the state is governed, you need to have as many people as possible on your side, or at least neutral towards you. Obama was brilliant at this -- witness his choice of an evangelical minister to swear him in at his first inauguration, despite this upsetting gays. This guy is smart. Learn from him.

    Expressing the wish that a large part of the population were not here, expressing disdain for them, is a perfect way to make them think that power for your side is a bad idea. It's the exact equivalent of Hilary's "deplorables" comment.

    If you're a conservative and/or a Republican, consider that these sort of sentiments -- hatred or disdain towards minorities as such -- are almost designed to increase support for the Democrats. (This has NOTHING to do with the idea of secure borders and controlled immigration. Don't confuse the two. Confusing acceptance of every American citizen, and opening the borders, is what your enemies want.)

    And ... more importantly ... such disdain is factually wrong.

    There are plenty of 'people of color' (I hate that phrase, but let's use it for our own purposes) who are ambitious for their children, and are not content with the standard liberal/Democratic provision for their general welfare. We see this in education especially.

    So: look at this link, which will show ordinary 'people of color' in Texas who have bought into an idea from the Right side of the spectrum, namely, 'school choice'. These are the sorts of people conservatives ought to be trying to reach.

    It's not that all or even most of this demographic are going to become conservatives any time soon. But politics in a pluralist society is about assembling a coalition, and the conservative coalition must include racial minorities if it is not to become a permanent minority itself. Politics is also about neutralizing people you cannot win ... you've won a victory every time someone stays home during an election instead of being energized to vote for your opponent because they think you hate them.
     
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    A disposable statement. Everyone knows it's multiracial. White supremacists and ethnocentrism within the right side of politics is rare.

    At most it seems to be revolt against the identity politics of the left I think it's stupid because you're fighting identity politics with identity politics, but alas I don't control people.
     
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    Yes. As a rule, and contrary to what the Left says, generally the Right is not racist. Or rather, the Right has accepted social reality and is not overtly racist in the sense that the Left accuses it of. Look how Republicans went for Ben Carson (who was not qualified to be President in my opinion, although now that the bar has been not just lowered but knocked to the ground, I wish he was.)

    However, it's clear to me that on the part of some, this has been a grudging acceptance, and that their default mode is to believe that to want the things conservatives want, you have to be a white, traditional Christian family-oriented person. You can see several posters on this forum who display this attitude, and I doubt they are some extreme unrepresentative minority within the American conservative movement in general. If I were Black or Hispanic, some of these people would make me uncomfortable to be around.

    Leftist identity politics is a terrible thing in and of itself, but if it provokes a counter-movement among whites, it could be catastrophic.
     
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    I think your views on many things are heavily skewed Ed's and not representative of reality and since you really only posted opinions there's no real argument to have here.
     
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    Nothing wrong with multi-racial.
    I have a problem with those that refuse to assimilate.
     
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    You need to cite a specific quote with a link which OVERTLY a wish that the US was all white.

    There is no such thing as a post which makes a COVERT wish of any kind. Any time you claim someone covertly wishes something you are lying and losing the argument.

    Without a specific quote with a link your entire premise is a massive failure.
     
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    We dislike all liberals, even the white ones.

    I would rather live in an all minority conservative nation over an all white liberal one.

    If that tells you anything.
     
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    You’re talking about politics as if there is a good faith exchange of competing ideas in a marketplace occurring. We don’t have that. We have one side comprised of the descendants of the original founding stock voting in accordance with the nation’s history and majority culture, and the other side voting basically to undo all of that and hand over the spoils to foreign groups with no real roots in the country.

    This was posted recently by a black member of the forum, and it highlights just how silly your suggestions are.

    This is what voting is to minorities in the US. This is what they are motivated by. Republicans and conservatives won’t reach these people without alienating the only group who would even want to conservatives anything to begin with. They should focus more on appealing to white voters. Trump did that and he won states that haven’t been Republican since the Reagan days. There is no reason why 40% of whites should be voting for their own destruction by voting liberal. If they only understood what the people who run the left thought of them and what they were trying to accomplish.

    And there probably will come a day when Republicans cannot win anymore because of too many minorities. I suspect by that time society will be on the brink of total collapse anyway. Then whites will have to look into other options to survive.
     
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    Uhh..... just look above this entry.
     
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    He's right written text in this forum is overt.
     
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    Can you point us towards another country that's a model to which we should aspire to?
     
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    No answer or example I see.

    As i said massive failure for your entire premise.
     
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    I've been on this forum for quite a while now, and I have never seen a post that in any way implied that the person wanted America to be all white. I have however seen a multitude of posts implying that white people are all racists, or Nazis, or supremacists. It seems very obvious that the allegations are supposed to create a reality rather than recognize one, and we see that effort everyday on the news as well as on this forum.

    America has been a mix of races as long as I can remember- and the real issues aren't color, but conduct. Sometime conduct follows in group order which has included race, but also includes religion, levels of education and much more. The worst today is the bad conduct following political ideology and bias; it is virtually wiping out self-respect and responsibility among followers and replacing it with gang-like, juvenile thug mentality where people go around attacking others on the street or anywhere else for their beliefs- not unlike the woman driving a few days ago that saw a trump sticker on a car, and decided to ram it with her own. That is what is being promoted and normalized by the left- inciting personal hate, expressing it in the form of libel, slander, attacks on people's reputation, attempts to destroy their employability, position or their company.

    From the standpoint of how the people in any group act, the group as a whole will become symbolic of their conduct and affect how they will be seen. The left is trying to invent the appearance of racism and a number of social evils for the express purpose of doing that- labeling all whites, all conservatives, all republicans, as something unacceptable. Using that tactic is flat-out evil, despicable and a statement of the lack of character or integrity in the ones who promote it.

    There will always be a few extremists in all groups, but when they come to dominate the image of the group as we see with the liberal left today, they deserve total rejection, and for that matter scorn. That is not only not the American way, it would be sorry conduct anywhere.
     
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    The left has been making this appeal for decades.

    “Man, if you guys just supported amnesty and other left wing positions, so many minorities would flock to your side, even though they already have that over on our side”.

    Reagan was dumb enough to fall for that one. 3 million Hispanics given amnesty, and what happened? His Vice President, who ran on being Reagan’s 3rd term, received less of the Hispanic vote than any other Republican candidate before or after him.
     
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    I agree. That is why I prefer places like Boulder Colorado and Portland Oregon. There aren't many conservatives around.
     
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    No. It's the other way around, in fact. America is the model for the world.

    All the Europeans who used to criticize American 'racism' were living in single-race countries. (Well, the Germans didn't, before 1933, but they made themselves into one. And the British had Northern Ireland.) But by and large, they were mono-racial: their racial minorities, when they had them, were tiny, a fraction of one percent of the population. So they could be very superior.

    And of course there was a hell of a lot to criticize. But we worked on it and now genuine racism -- or rather, racial oppression, which is the right term to use -- is practically a thing of the past. Blacks may live in worse conditions than whites, but not because of white racial oppression.

    And as for the Europeans ... they decided that it was too dull living in a mono-cultural society, so they've decided to liven things up a bit by bringing in lots of people from the Third World. Now we don't hear too much about evil racist America from them ... in fact, please let me know when the French elect a Black President, or the British, a Black Prime Minister.

    And as for the Third World, from which we still get a lot of finger-shaking ... there, if one of those countries has more than one tribe living in it, it's a good year when there's not a massacre. Even when both tribes are Black. And don't get me started about the self-righteous intellectuals of India.

    What I'm saying is this: the US is multi-racial country. This will not change, and in fact its multi-racial quality will deepen.

    Conservatives who don't like this fact -- who for example point out that the American murder rate would drop by more than fifty percent if we had no Blacks -- are making a big mistake by assuming that all racial minorities are irretrievably lost to the Left, as Brewskier does above. Such conservatives are helping the Left in fact.

    I gave a small example of some non-whites who are desperate to escape the crappy public school system. The Left hate these people, mainly because the status-quo system provides lots of members for the teachers unions, who are often, in inner-city schools, sub-standard.

    I argue that minority groups, like everyone else, are a spectrum in terms of aspirations, behavior, culture ... and that the Right needs to cultivate those among them who want to raise decent families, get real jobs, educate themselves.

    Let me put it bluntly: so-called conservatives who openly express disdain for ALL Blacks, or ALL Hispanics -- who speak of them as if they are a monolithic group -- are doing the work of the Left. They are either stupid, or indifferent to real politics, or completely pessimistic about our prospects of winning, or are in fact not conservatives at all but Leftist False Flag agents.

    Okay ... maybe I shouldn't be so harsh. Maybe they haven't thought deeply enough about it, or have been pushed into their positions by the nauseating hypocrisy of the self-righteous Left on this issue. If so, they should think again.
     
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    They're also majority white.
    Are there any liberal parts of the country you do like that are not majority white?

    Common, plenty of multi-racial places to choose from these days, it shouldn't take you that long to think of one.
     
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    Oh, so America is the testing ground, eh?

    Ground zero, if anything doesn't work out as expected, we'll be the first to know about it.

    Rather large country to be running the test in...
     
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    Europeans didn’t suddenly get bored in their monocultural societies and decide that they wanted Africans and Arabs to move there en masse, just like Americans didn’t suddenly get bored and decide to become an extension of Mexico. Their governments and societies were subverted by a hostile and foreign ideology.
     
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    I agree with almost everything you say, except for your first sentence. Let's not kid ourselves.
     

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