RIP INF Treaty: Russia's Victory, America's Waterloo

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  1. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    Dmitry Orlov's intriguing article below is well worth reading. He is one Russian I usually read for his sharp analytical mind.

    I wonder if his analysis is correct? I rather suspect it largely is as it confirm to the ever growing recognition that the US is an empire in deep and rapid decline.

    I also think - and have long argued - that his analysis of the MH-17 and Skripal affairs probably is bang on target; both are such obvious US propaganda plays that I wonder why anyone believes them at all given all the mounting evidence that is now available about both events - for example we now know that the British government financed propaganda outfit, Integrity Initiative were and are responsible for the Skripal / Salisbury black propaganda event. Meanwhile, the late Robert Parry demonstrated time and time again that the MH-17 the-Russians-did-it narrative had no legs at all.

    But read the entire article and decide for yourself...

    https://russia-insider.com/en/rip-i...wbpAQVoA83VCJZ9sV92lC2A#.XGGuz_TSyvI.facebook
     
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    Should have abruptly pulled out of the deal, perhaps not. Meanwhile our hands are tied while our real threat China is moving along with no restrictions. Can we afford to wait until they agree to come to the table?
     
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    According to Orlov, Russia is not coming back to the table - it has no need to. And China has zero interest in and INF Treaty with the US.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Donor

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    On MH17 I agree that the media line was pretty silly.

    Its easy to get whipped up into a frenzy over issues such as these. Ukraine has become the frontline between Europe and Russia and so is high stakes. In these conditions misinformstion thrives.
     
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    Might I suggest that if you have a desire for suicide you keep it to yourself or catch the next plane to Switzerland where help in that endeavour is available for a fee.

    The rest of us don't wish to get incinerated because you have infantile fantasies of global destruction.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're really rockin' today SH? I can't keep up with you. :eyepopping:
     
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    A new arms race will end like the Cold War. The U.S. can spend enough to bankrupt Russia.

    The Russian economy is about 7.6% the size of the American economy.
     
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    Yep, it wouldn't even be sporting to bring the Russian economy to its knees this time around...
     
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    "Trust But Verify",
    Reagan :worship:

    What happened.
    Who failed to verify for how long?


    It didn't suddenly pop up on Trump's watch
    Did it?


     
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    Russia Insider?

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    Can we get some Pravda up in here?
     
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    The US economy is already bankrupt.
     
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    Are you a stamp collector? I ask because you seem to be wholly fixated on envelopes while ignoring the enclosed message.

    Well done. 10/10 in the stoopid stakes.
     
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    If interest rates go up, we’ll be in deep doo doo.
     
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    Well, better the Red, dead. Right?
     
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    "Reds under the bed" is another saying. It came out of the mouth of Joseph Goebbles, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda.

    That should tell you something...
     
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    It is false in one sense in that Russia does have an arsenal of intermediate range weapons, the 9M729 missile syste, that Obama warned Russia about. Russia has made it known as far back as 2004 or 5 that it wanted some and that the US didn't need them but Russia did.
     
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    And what this thread tells me is that some of us are entirely willing to ignore the obvious. The treaty itself hasn't been adhered to by the Russians for a long time. Likely back to the beginning of the Obama administration and their reset. No one to blame here, just stoopid people in the roles. Hillary probably thought the INF was that agency in the Tom Cruise movies and wasn't bothered... But hey, someone had to help Russia... right?

    Why is it, do you suppose, that the left in our country, who almost uniformly pine for all things Soviet, are so determined to put the US at odds with Russia today? Envy? Sometimes, I just get bored with the obvious.....
     
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    At least you wish it were.
     
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    Yep, it would be the best possible outcome for most Americans in the longer term imo, as they would eventually wrestle their nation back into the hands of the people and away from the greedy betraying awfulness that continues to rule and plunder them. And as it currently stands - and has stood for the best part of four decades - the US is of nation fomenting war for profit, spreading them across the world as a matter of national foreign and economic policy.

    And I find that really objectionable. So yep, hands up.

    But my wishes don't and won't change the facts of what is coming. It's going to happen - only the timing is open to question.
     

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