Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.: Lee Harvey Oswald Did Not Act Alone

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member

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    Check out this brief video from ABC news ...


    "or Rogue CIA agents."


    LIBRA

    [video=youtube;5quAg6thaEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5quAg6thaEc[/video]
     
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    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    Duh! It's impossible for Oswald to have done what was alleged by the Warren Commission! Impossible!

    He was a government informer who went from the Marines straight into espionage.
     
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    It was not impossible it was quite simple to do and the evidence proves you are wrong.

    The evidence in fact proves that he did it and there is no evidence of any kind that even suggests it was impossible. You know this to be true as you have been asked repeatedly to produce such evidence and you cannot do so because you are not aware of any and there is none.

    You have no idea what the Warren commission claims and have never read their report.

    He never went into espionage. The claim that he did is one more idiotic claim you can assert but never support with evidence
     
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    Oswald was a government stooge. He couldn't have done was was alleged by the Warren Commission (no one could have).
    The Church Committee directly contradicts the Warren Commission on many key points.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Oswald was not a government employee of any sort after being thrown out of the USMC and you have no evidence that he was.

    You are quite wrong he accomplished a fairly easy and simply shooting feat that many many could have accomplished including the average deer hunter. The evidence is overwhelming against you.

    You can never name any evidence but only repeat assertions which the evidence contradicts.

    The Church committee did no such thing and you cannot name one such contradiction
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    ok so?
     
  7. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/B Disk/Brussell Mae/Item 25.pdf
    Not just wrong but always spectacularly and completely wrong. How does US Marine Oswald "defect" to the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War and then
    just return awhile later with a Russian bride and pick back up again fronting the Fair Play for Cuba CIA mission with absolutely NO repercussions at all?

    NO ONE has ever recreated the bit of marksmanship that less than average shooter Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly
    pulled of with clunky, piece of crap mail order bolt action Manlicher-Carcano rifle ( with misaligned sight, no less). http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/poor.htm
    NO ONE! Not under any circumstances. Your post if full of erroneous crap, as usual. What a joke!

    On the most important issue of all, the fiction of the lone killer,
    the Church Committee did indeed contradict the Warren Commission despite the fact that they were assembled to bolster faith in the Warren Commission
    as the public didn't buy the b.s. cover up at all as time went by.
    You don't care about facts and in fact spout absolute complete craziness as a matter of routine (like calling the so called shooting of JFK by Oswald something that was within the capability of the "average deer hunter" ) so I post for others to see and don't waste my time on a lunatic.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/11/21/failed-investigations-of-jfks-murder/
     
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    Oswald could have done what the WC says he did. He couldn't have done it without massive help it seems. Unless you're willing to believe that....

    During the height of the cold war, a guy from the US defects to Russia
    then
    During the height of the cold war, the same guy who defected from the US to Russia decides to defect back to the US from Russia and is allowed to do so and bring his wife--a Russian citizen with him
    then
    The guy who defected from the US to Russia then from Russia to the US is arrested passing out Pro Castro leaflets in New Orleans, leaves the US for Mexico, visits the Cuban embassy in Mexico....
    then
    The guy who defects from the US to Russia then from Russia to the US, gets arrested for endorsing Fidel, slips across the border and visits the Cuban embassy in Mexico just happens to be working at a menial job along the motorcade route
    then
    The guy who defected twice between super powers, visits the embassy of a puppet state of the USSR in a foreign nation, is the ONLY guy arrested for killing the President....is just happened to be killed while in custody of the Dallas Police Department--in the basement of the police station by a disgruntled night/strip club owner--who we all know are the pillars of society.

    Remarkable!
     
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    I disagree about Oswalds's supposed shooting of JFK.. NO ONE has ever recreated what Oswald is said to have done by the
    infamous Warren Commission using the same rifle, under the same time frame, and hitting a moving target through the obstructions
    presented by a perch up on the sixth floor of the Dallas School Book Depository.
     
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    Well there are a lot of problems here for you.

    As I said you have yet to offer any evidence whatsoever for any of your assertions and this remains true.

    The PDF about Mae Brussell for example offers no evidence whatsoever and several outright falsehoods. The link consistently says that she BELIEVES various things about Oswald sorry but BELIEF is NOT evidence. Oswald was merely a radar repair guy and never connected to the CIA or the U2 program other than being on a very large base where thousands of marines, airmen sailors and soldiers were stationed. He was trained as a radar repair man and only for air traffic control radar he was never an operator. He had no knowledge whatsoever about the U2 or the technology to bring it down.

    No evidence of your claims to the contrary exists. Snyder was not Cia he was state department and in fact Oswald's entry and exit from the USSR was not abnormal. You keep asking how he did it as though it was unheard of but it was not. You also ignore that the USSR did not even want him there and were happy to see him leave.

    Sorry but many many people have in fact recreated the shooting and it is very easy to do. The target was very close and moving directly away very slowly which makes for a very easy shot ( far easier than from the grassy knoll or anywhere else in dealey plaza ).

    The link you provided about his marksmanship contradicts itself and actually proves you wrong. He was a sharpshooter in the USMC which provides MORE than enough skill to pull of such an easy shooting.

    You offered no evidence of any specific contradictions between the church committee and the Warren commission conclusions. You merely provided evidence that they criticized the FBI and it's part in the investigation which in no way contradicts the conclusion.

    Massive fail from you which is what is really laughable.

    You have proven once again you are woefully and laughably out of your league and ignorant in the extreme. You have failed to provide evidence of any of your claims and you really know nothing whatsoever about the assassination.

    Try reading and learning rather than repeating cherry picked conspiracy crap which supports your belief
     
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    He needed no help and there is nothing unusual about any of this. He did not defect to he USSRF he emigrated there. Defection only happens one way from a totalitarian society to a free society. In a free society anyone may leave and it is not a defection.

    Many believe it is abnormal for someone to have moved there and returned but as it turns out both governments ( the USA and the USSR ) have long since explained in detail how and why it happened and it is not unusual.


    Passing out pro castro leaflets is not abnormal just as supporting islam or isis today is merely an exercise in free speech. He was not arrested for doing so either he was arrested for getting into a minor street brawl with some anti castro cubans. There is no crime in distributing pro castro or communist literature.

    No one including Oswald " slipped " across the border into Mexico he simply went which is not abnormal and happens every day.

    Yes the murder of Oswald by ruby is extraordinary and one of the main sources of the conspiracy myth. However the details are long since examined and investigated in detail by thousands and there is simply no credible evidence of a conspiracy and suspicions are not enough.
     
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    Wrong MANY have in fact recreated the shooting and proven it was not only doable but in fact fairly easy.

    There were no obstructions and a target moving slowly directly away from you is not a difficult shot especially at such close range.

    You are simply wrong and the evidence proves that to b an absolute fact.

    But of course you will deny this and refuse to provide any evidence of any source to support your idiotic claims and they are proven to be idiotic.

    You have yet to offer a speck of evidence and that is fact
     
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    Okay, you’ve made the allegations before. Please supply numbers. How many people defected from one super power to another THEN back again with their wives during the Kruscheve regime? You say it’s not unusual…please supply proof of this “all too common” occurrence. Would you, please?
     
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    I never said it was common I said it was not unusual especially since BOTH governments have explained in detail what happened.

    It is evidence of nothing
     
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    Okay, how “unusual” is it? Give us some numbers so we can decide. I mean, you seem to make a big thing about “emigration” vs. “defection” so perhaps you have some data to back up how “unusual” it is???? If you do not…well, you’re speaking out of school.

    The reason it is evidentiary despite your cries of how commonplace it is stems from how those who are charged with Presidential Security should have known where these supposed “emigrants” (aka defectors) were UNLESS you can show us the tens of thousands who marched with Oswald across the Iron Curtain; wives in tow.

    That you haven’t supplied the information of how usual or not such defections/emigrations are…makes one think they are not so usual after all or, at the very least, you’re ignorant about the exact number and are just saying it’s unusual to try to strengthen your position.

    When you take it in total, anyone with a sober eye would look at Oswald’s position just happening to be along the Presidential motorcade and his just happening to be murdered while in custody by a strip club owner…as anything but business as “usual”.
     
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    Murder is always unusual and having it committed as a result of opportunity is not unusual either.

    The numbers are irrelevant as I have never said it is common I said it happened and it was not unusual or grounds for suspicions which both nations acknowledge. So unless you think there was a conspiracy involving BOTH the USA and USSR it is not evidence of anything.

    notice how you keep mentioning suspicions some of which I acknowledged but never EVIDENCE.
     
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    The act of being able to defect from one super power to another then back again with your family is, you claim, usual. I’m just asking you to support what YOU said. Instead of deeming the question irrelevant…how about you back up what you said??? If you don’t give data in the next reply, would you blame me for assuming that you have nothing to back up your claim?
     
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    Stop misquoting me I said it was not unusual and not unheard of. It did not happen a lot but occasionally it did and the detai;s prove it was not abnormal.

    I have massive evidence to back it up which you willfully ignore you have been somewhat reasonable in the past but are now like the other conspiracy fools and are merely lying and misquoting me thus proving willful ignorance on the subject
     
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    For someone with “massive evidence”, your inability to give us an integer instead of attitude speaks volumes. We’ll just conclude you have no data to back up your claim since, you have provided zero data; agreed?
     
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    Once again you willfully ignore the detailed evidence of why he was able to leave. This proves you are merely a closed minded conspiracy loon with a faith based belief.

    But you are proven wrong and crushed by that very fact and you know it.

    Yes we agree you have nothing and have resorted to lying
     
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    Oh gee look at this.

    According to the data in this link THOUSANDS of people defected from the USSR to other nations including the USA in the years relevant to Oswald entering and leaving the.

    The data mainly concerns jews but that is irrelevant to purposes of this discussion you might take special note of table #5.

    Seems the numbers prove nothing unusual.
     
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    What link?
     
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    Again, we’re talking about defections between superpowers. I’ll wait to see the link and this “table 5” although one would expect you to simply give us an integer of how many folks went between the US and USSR during the early 60’s.
     
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    Your “table five” would be laughable if not so pathetic. Gee, you mean the Soviets were cool with letting jews move to other Soviet states? Nah; really?

    What that has to do with defections between superpowers is a mystery to all observers. What isn’t a mystery is that you clearly have just pulled out the “unusual” characterization of such defections to AND THEN BACK out of thin air. Surely you have something more germane to our subject than that; right?
     

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