Roberts is actually in charge.

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mitch McConnell is one of the most unscrupulous politicians we have ever had. He flouts the rule of law and decency. He does what he wants and dares anyone to do anything about it. He was up to his eyeballs in the 2016 Russian scandal. There is a reason that he has been blocking efforts to prevent foreign interference in our elections. In many ways, Moscow Mitch is more of a menace than Trump.
     
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    McConnell is good at Machiavellian politics, but he’s not as ruthless as Harry Reid. Harry was diabolical.
     
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    Or if the managers can actually produce a case worth of prolonging this idiocy. Thus far they have failed.
     
  5. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clearly and obviously you have either ignored or not paid attention to the existing data, even the Trump legal team and republicans wont try to debate it. Instead they switch their criteria and claim he did not do enough to be removed from office. If ANYONE else did what he has done they and you would be chomping at the bit....Hell Clinton got a blowjob and Obama simply existed but I am willing to bet you wished they were removed.
     
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    When does the Electoral College vote on the President's impeachment?
     
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    Clinton lied on a legal affadavit in a federal sexual harassment lawsuit, people have gone to jail for less.
    On the other your side wishes to jail Trump on the basis office gossip started by third parties.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I said.
     
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    Today, your party would call that a perjury trap.
     
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    Wrong.
     
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    It was exactly that
     
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    It was a case that was thrown out because his accuser was deemed not credible. In any other case no one would have cared.
     
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    Actually the Constitution makes it perfectly clear that the Senate is actually in charge.
    The author seems to hang his hat on this:

    But wait a minute. While McConnell is not mentioned in the Constitution, Chief Justice John Roberts is. Indeed, it is the Chief Justice of the United States who shall “preside” over the trial, not the Majority Leader. So why isn’t it up to Roberts to decide whether witnesses shall appear?

    Because by the letter of the Constitution, the power of the Senate to make its own internal rules is plenary, so he is bound thereby rather than the other way around. You're welcome.
    Obviously that is not the question, as SCOTUS doesn't have a damn thing to do with impeachment trials.
     
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    Roberts is like the ring master for the 3-ring circus. He legally presides but all he can do is make suggestions. I feel sorry for Roberts to have to sit through all the flapping gums. He is learning nothing, has to be bored, and is probably looking forward to getting back to his man cave.
     
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    Making him a branch of the executive because he fails to do things your way is a ridiculous sttement. You know that.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He is the Judge (SCOTUS at that) in a trial so it is his Job to make the trial fair and productive, any trial in any court requires all evidence and testimony that is of consequence be entered into evidence. Thus a defense and prosecution are required....it does not matter what I want in this, what matters is the validity and purity of the trial. It also does not matter what YOU want and the Jury foreman should not be on the defense team, but he is and has said as much.
    It is up to the judge to assure a fair trial and in this case he should act to do so.
     
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    But this isn't a court. It is a political dogfight taking place in the Senate. The rules of a judicial court don't apply at all. Impeachment is not a judicial action. It is a political one. That is why it is so ugly. Please don't confuse it with a criminal court trial. It isn't that.
     
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    So...the "Senate Trial" is not a trial?.....what is it then, and why does it have a judge and jury?

    Are the defense and prosecution just actors?
     
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    I would also admonish anyone that characterizes this as a purely political battle. The reason it appears as such is that Republicans in the Senate care little about facts or justice. They are not the least bit interested in objectivity. They are interested in protecting a corrupt president with a vengeful base.

    It is a trial of what it means to be a Constitutional Republic and the duties associated with that Republic. In the impeachment of a judge or president, facts and objectivity matter. History will be unkind to those who chose to ignore this in favor of protecting a partisan position. The American public is not as stupid as many politicians believe.
     
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    We certainly don't agree there.
     
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    It is not a judicial trial. It is a political one. It has a judge and jury because the constitution specifies it.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see....so it is not a trial because the Constitution says it's a trial? That makes no sense and a "Political Trial" is still a trial, it even says it is.
     
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    You obviously haven't been watching the proceedings.
     
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    It is not a JUDICIAL trial. How many times do I have to say it.
     
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