It is not that amazing at all since religion, in its very nature, is highly subjectivist. No two clerics have the same interpretation of the texts and different branches of all religion have always slaughtered and chased each other.
Being alive does not grant one protected status. Just about all of our food sources can attest to that. The cow who goes to slaugher for it's meat does not enjoy protected status because it is a living being. The lion that the trophy hunter shoots just to put it on their wall does not enjoy protected status because it is alive. You could take it one step further and say that because it is human life it is therefore deserving of protection, but when you do that you're being just as selective and relativistic as the anti-abortionists accuse the pro-choicers of being. You have no moral high ground to stand upon here because your position is based on a biased and relativistic interpretation on the value and sanctity of specific kinds of life, but only those that you deem subjectively worthy. Even your qualifier here, that it has a heart beat, is subjective and relativistic since life does not require a heart in order to be alive. You've just chosen that because YOU need a heart to be alive. At the end of the day, the abortion argument is not about life or the sanctity of it since pro-lifers deny the sanctity of most of the living beings on this world. It is about personal rights and the level of control that a woman has over the entirely internal workings of her own body. It is about authoritarianism, even if that's not what you feel actually motivates you to hold the position you do. It does not mean you yourself want to actively dominate and control women, but it does mean that you have no problem with that happening and especially when it's done by the law so you can keep your hands clean. In this case, silence is very much consent.
A human heart is not comparable to food. That’s ridiculous. I will never alter my opinion on this. Every abortion is murder and should be punished as such. The only time murder is justified is in self defense. If it presents a clear threat to life, not an opinion but a clear threat I can justify abortion. Outside of that I will never agree. This is one topic I can not deviate on, not for religious reasons but for reasons that it is alive and should remain so.
A human heart is entirely comparable to food because both are alive. It is just a body part. All living beings have body parts, even the microscopic ones. But not every living being specifically needs a heart which is why you use it as a qualifier. Only the more anthropomorphic forms of life tend to have them. You are therefore more sympathetic to them. But life is life. Or is being alive not the sanctified status you claim it is?
And your placing more importance on human life than other life is a result of being relativistic and biased towards your own species. This is not absolute right or wrong, this is you deciding on the value of one stage of human life based on your own subjective qualifiers. Just like a pro-choicer does.
So the life you deem necessary to the survival of your heart has a less sanctified status than cuter more human-like forms of life?
If the argument is " it is alive and tjerefore has rights" or "heartbeat means rights", compatring it to cattle becomes very relevant since cattle are alive and have beating hearts too. Of course, anti-abortionists have no real understanding of rights and do not know what it really means to be alive in the human sense of the word. They are also too scared to be honest and open about their view that it is "God who injects a soul into the ZEF at the moment of conception" because they know it is not a rational argument and neither do they want to admit that they want their religious code imposed on everyone because they do not want to be seen as the theocrats that they are. Every pregnancy is a threat to the pregnant woman's life. Cancers, bacteria and viruses are alive too.
Do you believe we should execute a 14 year old girl that self aborts her pregnancy? A rape victim? A woman who's fetus is severely deformed? A pregnancy that will result in the death of the mother? If others assist her should is life in prison a long enough penalty? Or should we just execute them for predated conspiracy to commit murder? Should plan B use be also treated as murder with the same penalties as above?
If you follow my history you know the answers to all this. No not execute but prison is just fine. One that could cause death to the mother would be considered self defense in my opinion so I’m okay with those. Severely deformed? What’s that, a missing ear? And no. If it has a chance of survival it should be given the chance. let me reemphasize… YES! PRISON! for a long long time
We're never going to have perfect parents or perfect children, so the question I would pose to you is this: If you were a child in the womb, and were given the choice of living the type of troubled life you described, or no life at all, which would you choose?
Why don’t you want to execute them? They are murders after all That you would arrest a child “for a long long time” that has been impregnated through rape or incest is just the ultimate in discussing ideology. I understand the argument that we need to reduce abortions but the level of cruelty and control you are advocating — I am rarely disgusted by another poster here.
If they don’t immediately report the rape then yes jail time and there will be no abortion. too easy to lie for convenience I don’t really care if you think I’m disgusting. I think murder is disgusting wether in or out of the womb. Your opinion matters absolutely zero and even lower. Anyone who supports abortion absolutely can’t offend me.
That wasn’t part of the question. Are you an advocate for murdering the baby as long as it is done between conception and 6 weeks? I am not trying to offend you — Just saying that such views are absolutely disturbing and are not based on science, logic or morals.
The misogyny is so thick in here it's deplorable and says more about the poster than he realizs.. So you also don't think women are harmed when raped ...so do you think it shouldn't be a crime??
Your bias must have read something that was not there. I gave no comment that women who are raped are not harmed. I won’t reply to someone who addresses something with such a large bias you seem to read something that was never there. Go troll someone else.
I’m an advocate for a heartbeat. If there’s a heartbeat then no abortion. I’m 100% okay with this law.
The law is just called a heartbeat bill, the valves in the heart are not actually formed at this period and the first beat cannot occur until week 10-12 [source]. What is detected is electrical impulses and what is heard is from the equipment itself — why do you believe it is a baby when there are electrical impulses in the chest and not when the diploid cell begins to divide? Why not when brain function begins? When pain can be felt or when it is viable outside the womb? Seems like you have picked an emotional and arbitrary point in development that doesn’t actually correspond to any of the know definitions of life. Just like the propaganda has taught you.
FoxHastings said: ↑ The misogyny is so thick in here it's deplorable and says more about the poster than he realizs.. So you also don't think women are harmed when raped ...so do you think it shouldn't be a crime?? Joe knows said: ↑ If they don’t immediately report the rape then yes jail time and there will be no abortion""""" That implies women are capable of reporting right away as if they weren't hurt or traumatized or in fear of their lives... the misogyny comes in when you imply rape victims lie...and should be punished by being FORCED to have their rapist's kid...a sentence even rapists don't get .... LIFE.
Like I said, I won’t reply to someone who thinks debates with some sort of magic words that were never said. Go troll someone else
Actually I have made this heartbeat argument for 20 years. I don’t know when a heartbeat starts but if it’s there it is a function outside of the mothers neurological control. It’s not hers to murder. Period!
