Ron DeSantis to Joe Biden: No FEMA vaccine ‘camps’

Well, if your governor has ordered these, then, recall him. Me, I'm not for any draconian measures.

Dear, it's just that the surges we saw with Thanksgiving travel and Christmas are starting to subside... as by now that peak is going away, one month after Christmas.
Yeah, keep cheering the drop - it's a good thing but not the way you think of it; for you, these drops only foster your denial...
This virus has been up and down since the beginning and temporary reprieves always excite the deniers, but then the virus proves them wrong... again. With the B.1.1.7 arriving in force, wanna bet that this reprieve won't last long?

 

of course it's been up and down and like with the flu, the winter is breeding ground for the spread of viruses if you are silly enough to live in cold climates. Thanks to the uptick over the holidays, we now have more people with antibodies; and that is a good thing

 

Sure, it's a "good" thing... tell it to the families of the 4,000 people who are dying daily...
Again, it's not a "good" thing if you breath in the tuberculosis bacillus or the meningococcus. Again, your ideas are hopelessly naïve, and typical of lay people with shaky notions about immunology.
By the way, immunity delivered by recovering from an infection with the wild virus is less good than the one delivered by vaccines, and in view of the study I posted here a few days ago, with the B.1.135 strain escaping antibodies from the natural infection with the previous strains, we'll see how far this natural immunity will take us...

 

I'm not even sure that figure is correct, but at least you didn't jsut randomly add three zeroes to it and then convince yourself it was accurate. Was there any point when you were typing 840,000,000 that you thought the figure sounded a bit big for a daily figure? Not even a moment's hesitation? Nah, didn't think so.

And while I'm at it, has it occoured to you that shipping oil from Canada to the US might actually be cheaper than shipping it from the Middle East? I get that Americans really suck at geography, but Canada is a wee bit closer than Saudi Arabia or Russia. You do know that, don't you? Please tell me you do. So, even without a pipeline that Canadian oil is going to be cheaper than Middle Eastern oil or Russian Oil.

If this is all too much for you get a grown up to explain it.

 

Florida has used up only about 50% of the vaccines sent here.

DeSantis is needs to get his act together or allow Feds to help the citizens.

 

Give the real story,not the spin. 2nd dose.

"That is gonna change dramatically because people are gonna start coming due on their Moderna every day that we go by," DeSantis said. "What you'll start to see as we get through this week and into next, you're gonna start to see more and more second doses done."

 

That is the real story.

 

I do not disagree that this virus should never have escaped from the lab, but it did. (whether intentional or not, we'll never know) The body will adapt as it always does and has. Yes, folks will die from it, that's a given, much like people die from all sorts of things and not just illness. What we can't do is continue the fear and panic

Again, census is down; is that a good or bad thing?

oh, please spare me the faux outrage of what to tell the families of people who died. Are you as outraged about babies killed by abortion? That number is much higher

 

Oh, OK, you are of those who think it escaped from a lab, despite its genomic sequencing saying otherwise... and you introduce off-topic abortion when you are short of arguments. I'm done with you. I will reply one last time just to set the record straight. Census going down is a good think; I'm afraid it won't last given the new and more infectious strains. The body doesn't "adapt" in the short term to a new and aggressive virus. The body gets sick and the person suffers the acute and mid- / long-term consequences which is stupid because now we have effective vaccines. Fear and panic are bad but being prudent against a REAL threat is good. Much like people die from other things; sure but there is a significant number of excess deaths when all causes are considered, due to the pandemic. Abortion: for the record, I'm a practicing Catholic and I don't condone it. Regarding your naïve approach to immunology: maybe you should do like me and go to pre-med college for four years, then medical school for four more, than residency training for four more, then PhD for five more, and then practice for 40 years; maybe then you will actually learn and drop your layman's naïve and illogical ideas.

Have a long and happy life (be safe, beware of this virus, it has the potential to shorten that long life and curtail that happy life). Over and out.

 

You post about this virus as though you are promoting vaccines and other elements of the official narrative, a bogus narrative.

 

in other words, a very narrow perspective. I always question the narrative because many times it proves to be false. question everything vs blindly accept as it seems you do

 

A close friend stood in line for 2 1/2 hours yesterday, in the hopes of getting her second shot. She is elderly, and has numerous disability issues, as did most of the people who were in the line with her. Nowhere to sit, out in the sun. Madness. This is in Boca.

Florida.

 

Yes, there is no point in pretending there is no problem. DeSantis needs to put the citizens ahead his pride and stop playing petty politics with this.

 

uh huh

and do we miraculously produce facilities and logistics for a vaccine that requires special handling? Travelers have been employed for months in FL to administer covid tests and are now also used to administer vaccine. The issue is handling the vaccine and then those injected need to be monitored. This all while we still test for covid and treat all the northerners who come here for their knee and hip replacements

your Democrat partisanship is obvious because you simply whine, instead of getting a little knowledge on the topic. You piss all over those doing the good work with your partisan BS

 

Why are you pretending there is a problem? Sounds like petty politics to me....

 

Sure man, let's play your game and and say there are no issues whatsoever. Everyone already got two shots. We're all done here.

Whatever gets you through the night.

In the meanwhile (back in reality), we'll try to get a shot for the elderly in our family.

 

Yes, 'the problem' seems to be in your head.

As FDR noted, men are not prisoners of their fate, but only prisoners of their own minds.

 

I live in reality, and you don't. Its as simple as that. Its childish to pretend there are no issues whatsoever, and then accuse others of mental problems if they dont agree with your nonsense.

What you are trying to do is called gas-lighting, which is a weak tactic typically employed by those whos only argument is "I'm right because I say I'm right, and you're wrong because there is something wrong in your head" . Trump apologists have been using this childish tactic non-stop for four years, and apparently they are not done with it yet.

I'm done with you though, so have a nice day.

 

We live in 2 different realities, no doubt.

You live in the reality created by Fauci & Friends.

I live in the reality created by my life experiences, which includes knowledge gained through 73 years life, knowledge that includes real life experiences regarding the well demonstrated mendacity of government stories and narratives.

You buy into those narratives, I question them, knowing most of them to be false narratives.

 

That is what I suspected.

You have no clue what is going on out there with the vaccines, you just think you are so much smarter than everyone else that you can just "figure it out" based on life experiences (like something that happened to you 50 yrs ago). Such experiences have absolutely no way of helping you know how many people in Florida are getting and are not getting the shots in January of 2021. God knows what else you think you "figured out". Well, at least you finally admitted your 'statistics' are a mere personal guess.

I am in the reality, so I know what's happening out there. People are frustrated with the difficulty of getting the shots. THAT is real life, not some 'government narrative'.

You can return to your utopian fantasy world now.

 

It's not really a matter of being "smart". Intelligence has little to do with it.

It IS a matter of being able to face unpleasant truths. It IS a matter of knowing when one has been deceived. It IS a matter of being able to recognize propaganda.

Since my time in Uncle Sam's Army I'm fairly skilled at recognizing propaganda. I know others are not, but that's OK. I don't hold that naivete against them, but I refuse to play along when the credulous amongst us try to define what's actually happening.

 

I think you just made the case for why FEMA could help.

 

So it seems. Some life experience from 50 years ago tells him that everyone who wants a vaccine can get it on demand in Jan of 2021. It's weird, but that's how a partisan mind operates. It says "my boy is in charge, so how could there possibly be any problems".

 

As per my post #124, I suspected this much, and it's been confirmed now: it is clear now, from governors' statements (including DeSantis') and actually from the new CDC administration too, that this touted difference between the number of vaccines being distributed and the number getting into people's arms is largely due to states holding back in order to have available vaccines for second doses, as they should, and not due to "last mile" faulty logistics.

So, the idea that Florida has plenty of vaccine is false. DeSantis does have a point. You do know (if you've been following my posts, which of course you're in no obligation to do) that I voted for Biden, but I won't hesitate in acknowledging that a Republican governor has a point.

I've been saying, vaccinating more people with first shots and not holding back the second shots in stock is the WRONG strategy. The Brits are trying that; well, the Brits are wrong. The Biden Covid team at one point floated this idea too; well, they were wrong. Like Fauci and the FDA have said, the protection afforded by the first shot is erratic, may not last, and new studies in Israel have found that the first shots only reduce the relative risk by 33.4%, which is insufficient in the presence of the galloping new strains, while also from Israel we know that one week after the second shot only 0.015% of Pfizer vaccine recipients still contract the virus, suggesting that the real world efficacy is even higher than what was anticipated in phase 3 trials; but only once two shots are in. So, the second shot is essential and without it we won't make inroads; also, like the FDA said, people who got only one shot might feel overconfident that they are protected (they wouldn't be) and adopt irresponsible behaviors, making the spread actually worse.

So, there isn't a "last mile" problem of this magnitude (suggested by only half of the vaccines having been administered from twice as much distributed) and there aren't doses that are lost or misplaced or are sitting in shelves for the wrong reasons.

What there is, is a shortage of vaccines. We approved only two; the companies are trying hard but can't churn them out faster than they are doing, and we refused to approve the Oxford/AstraZeneca which by now is being used by millions worldwide; we should have approved it despite the botched efficacy data, because the minimum efficacy in those studies was still 62% which is still way above the 50% threshold set for approval. Also, the Oxford/AstraZeneca, no doubt, is less efficacious than the Pfizer and the Moderna for preventing infection, but what needs to also be taken into account, is that the Oxford/AstraZeneca appears to be 100% efficacious in preventing serious disease and deaths; isn't it what counts more? That's by the way what we do for the flu every year. The flu shot, depending on the year, is only 40% efficacious to prevent infection... but it is 80%+ efficacious in preventing serious disease even in bad years. So, if the FDA is happy with that and the flu shot remains approved, why in the hell a result such as Oxford/AstraZeneca's which is way better than that, can't be approved???

We had pre-contracted with Oxford/AstraZeneca for 300 million doses... enough to vaccinate 150 million Americans... and sadly we don't have it, because we haven't approved it. You'll say "but Oxford and AstraZeneca haven't applied for approval; it's not the FDA's fault!" Well, sure, but they haven't applied because they were told via back channels that the FDA would not consider their messy efficacy data unless they repeated a cleaner trial, in the US. That's what they are doing now, but it will take time to conclude. So effectively, the pandemic is raging and we're not getting these 300 million doses anytime soon (they would have been a huge game changer).

Me, I think that once the Oxford/AstraZeneca got approved by many other reputable countries and is in use for millions of people worldwide (which is several times more than a 30,000-people phase 3 trial) with no major problems, the FDA should have revised its position and moved on to approve the Oxford/AstraZeneca.

OK, at least we have Johnson and Johnson hopefully coming up. The results of its phase 3 trial are coming anytime; by the end of this week or early next week. Do realize that the results could be disappointing and fall below 50% in which case we'll be back to square zero and only able to count on Pfizer and Moderna. But if the results are good, we have pre-ordered 100 million of their shots, and those are one-dose vaccines so they would add the ability to vaccinate another third of the American eligible population. Also, the J&J doesn't require freezing. It would be much easier to distribute to pharmacies like CVS and Walgreens so it could add a significant boost to our ability to deliver these vaccines fast into people's arms. Fingers crossed.

 

That is really not the point at hand. He rejected FEMA help to get more people vaccinated by saying "we don't need FEMA camps". Totally unnecessary. Why reject additional resources?