Rudy Giuliani’s fixer, Lev Parnas, turned over documents. They’re very ugly.

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  1. TurnerAshby

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    So if you mrlegalT had a completely legal conversation with a banker robber and the robbers data was taken via a legal warrant then the information that you had a conversation with said bank robber was released and then the media picked up on it would you think that was right? If someone had an axe to grind with you could you image the stories one could come up with to smear you?
     
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    And here we see the conspiracy fall apart. This is Trump's DOJ with Trump's man running it. And you can't get your own DOJ to go after Biden? Really? You have to send your personal lawyer on a fishing expedition? Hmmm, what's likelier: that Trump can't get his own DOJ to investigate a corruption issue or there's no corruption issue? Right.

    And now this sleazebag associate of Giuliani is implicating Trump because of course he is. How many former Trump-people have fingered Trump now? Half a dozen? Can you imagine if this were Obama? Good lord.
     
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    you mean like Trump did Avenatti, heard Avenatti say he was running for President and taped his wires

    makes as much since as Obama tapping Trumps wires doesn't it?
     
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  4. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Biden did what he bragged about doing, that would constitute an abuse of office as the Vice President. Being a rival candidate doesn't make any abuses and law breaking by him while VP above the law. Trump asked Zelenskyy to coordinate with the US Attorney General, NOT his campaign. If Biden didn't do it then there may be a case for political gain. But we won't know unless the Senate investigates during Trumps trial in the Senate. Testimony from the Biden's, Chris Heinz, Devon Archer and Adam Schiff as well as depositions by Zelensky and Shokin will be key to determining whether Trump was legitimately going after corruption or seeking to damage a political rival.
     
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    No one spied on Trump. Your statement shows the power of lies issued by the president.
     
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    So now we have some handwritten notes of someone's opinion. And this is relevant how?
     
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    Because protecting the constitution is not a game. Impeachment is not about switching the presidency from R to D. At all. Personally, I think Pence would be a more effective president and would advance traditional R policies (and hurt Dem policies) more than Trump. And although he may be amoral, he doesn’t seem corrupt.

    Republican senators will put their political interests ahead of their oaths of office. Ahead of the protection of the constitution. Sad.
     
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    When this impeachment started, the constitution was already shredded. This is just symbolic, just like "he'll forever be impeached" and the stupid pen ceremony. Wanna know who's more inept and incapable of a leadership role? Nancy Pelosi. I think the House would be at a better place with any other Speaker.
     
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    In what way was the constitution shredded?
    And your argument essentially is that you don’t care about protecting the constitution because others don’t care about it.
    Talk about leading the race to the bottom.
     
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    You don't plan impeachment before someone takes the oath of office, my lord.
     
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    The primary point of merit that I saw from the Republicans on this issue was the willingness to identify the phone number in the report. They could have, and arguably should have, left the identifying at "Individual 1" or "Congressman 1." Even then, a journalist or several would probably identify the number within a matter of hours eventually and those people (or me in your hypothetical) would need to address the question of why eventually.
     
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    Is there any doubt in your mind that Biden was pursuing official US policy when be sought the firing of Shotkin?

    The reason that Biden bragged about that video is because it was a foreign policy win that was lauded (or at a minimum raised zero concerns) by every US politician and the international government at the time it happened.
     
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    Who is that someone and what is their relevance to the Impeachment?

    Then you will have your answer.
     
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    That happens to every president, doesnt it?
     
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    Indicted Lev Parnas is the latest Democrat Party-press favorite. Before that it was recently indicted Michael Avenatti. And before him it was indicted and convicted Michael Cohen. Of course, their favorite legal analyst is disbarred Watergate perp John Dean.
     
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    Again, nothing alleged by the left is worthy of impeachment.

    They’ll have to try again.
     
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    ...he is already impeached.
     
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    You seem to skipping over roughly a dozen individuals who testified during the impeachment inquiry.
     
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    Don't forget their media darling butthurt professor Pamela Karlan.

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    All the ones that were not fact witnesses? I take it you didn’t watch the testimonies.
     
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    Please remember this when you're questioning why Trump is always being investigated. It is a matter of U.S. interest, not personal. He was a crooked man for decades, and the shock exhibited by his supporters that people assume he will be corrupt in office is just mind boggling.
     
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    Funny how he was a dem favorite before he ran as a Republican so now he has always been a crook. Dems turn on a dime when they don’t get their way.
     
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    Lev Parnas claims the effort to get rid of Yovanovitch was solely to get her out of the way so investigations of Biden could be opened.

    Except Parnas was pushing for Yovanovitch's removal way back in May 2018, and his indictment says he did it at direction of Ukrainian official.

    Of course a guy under indictment would never lie to help his sentence.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Hilarious! Your proof that someone spied on Trump is a video of someone saying, "We have learned that there are concerns" that someone was monitoring social media accounts of people close to Trump?

    First of all, monitoring social media accounts - things the people consciously choose to publish so the whole world can see them - can hardly be spying.
    Second, the "concerns" are that the accounts that were being monitored were those of people close to Trump - not Trump himself.
    Third, there is no direct evidence that any accounts WERE monitored. Only the very tenuous, passive-voice phrase, "We have learned that there are concerns".

    Trump was not spied on. There is absolutely zero evidence to support that. It is a RW fever swamp lie.
     
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