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Rudy Giuliani denies asking Ukraine to investigate Biden -- before admitting it

Discussion in 'United States' started by MrTLegal, Sep 20, 2019.

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    The investigation was ongoing, trump merely expressed his concern over Biden’s clear conflict of interest, and blackmail of the Ukraine govt. it’s called normalizing relations after that dark time. We know Biden did that, he confessed, the only question remaining is how deep this corruption was. The Ukrainians have offered to share evidence with the DOJ...
     
    struth, Sep 23, 2019
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  2. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    That decision was made in early summer, and released in September...well after this call and well well after the investigation was reopened.

    It was delayed out of concerns of corruption with in the military. Trump has supported Ukraine against Russia and uprooting corruption
     
    struth, Sep 23, 2019
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  3. glitch

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    Well according to your article he wasn't acting as a representative of the US Government:

    "Mr. Giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for President Trump," the spokesperson said in a statement to CNN. "He does not speak on behalf of the U.S. Government. It seems like the Rudy was asking some pretty legitimate questions that should be answered.
     
    glitch, Sep 23, 2019
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  4. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Yeah right, a Trump parrot, the US intelligence services claim Russia did break into some voting machines, yet Trump, Putin and you sent it.
     
    mdrobster, Sep 23, 2019
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  5. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great.

    Source for you claim that Russia "broke into" US voting machines.
     
    vman12, Sep 23, 2019
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  6. MrTLegal

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    No, that is according to the spokesperson. And you'd have to be incredibly dense to think the "personal attorney for the President" does not represent the US Government in some very explicit form and fashion.

    Especially when the President is the one holding up hundreds of millions of military funds.
     
    MrTLegal, Sep 23, 2019
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  7. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Ukraine said - in May - that there was zero evidence of wrongdoing.
     
    MrTLegal, Sep 23, 2019
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  8. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Concerns of corruption within the military? ROFL.

    Yea, because that has so much to do with mentioning Biden 8 times.
     
    MrTLegal, Sep 23, 2019
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  9. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    "Trump merely expressed his concern...."

    Just absolutely absurd. Please tell me you base that on something other than some hardcore right wing machine trying to spin and defend Trump's intentional effort to seek a quid pro quo by holding up hundreds of millions in funding to a country unless that country was willing to investigate his chief political opponent.
     
    MrTLegal, Sep 23, 2019
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    mdrobster, Sep 23, 2019
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  11. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Yes....

    and I agree it has notihng to do with Biden...they aren't related at all.
     
    struth, Sep 23, 2019
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  12. struth

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    I am basing it on the world of the Ukrainian Govt.

    There was no quid pro quo...that's just leftist fantasy. The investigation was on goig, and had been since 2018. The money was delayed long before this phone call, and the money released months later, in fact September, when concerns were addressed. There is literally no connection.
     
    struth, Sep 23, 2019
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    Only if it rises to the level of urgent concern. The Inspector General deemed it credible. The Acting Director of National Intelligence consulted with the Justice Department and came to the determination that it does not meet the threshold of urgent concern. It doesn't matter if they want to see it anyway.
     
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    A private citizen and personal lawyer of the President does not act in the official capacity of the US government. That is just reality and not opinion.
     
    glitch, Sep 23, 2019
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    There was no invesigation
     
    The Mello Guy, Sep 23, 2019
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    So Rudy was meddling in the election as a private citizen on trumps behalf?
     
    The Mello Guy, Sep 23, 2019
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  17. struth

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    struth, Sep 23, 2019
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    The Mello Guy, Sep 23, 2019
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    Mister 911 is one connection.
    Lets see the report.
     
    ronv, Sep 23, 2019
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  20. glitch

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    Nothing wrong with meddling, but no indication it was at the request of DT.
     
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  21. struth

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    hahahhha hey you don't have to agree with his opinions, but it doesn't change the fact there was an investigation that was on going, that was stopped in 2017 after Joe Biden threatened to with hold a billion dollars in desperately needed aid, if the lead investigator wasn't fired. He resigns, the aid comes in, and wow...the investigation is killed....at least until Biden is out of a position of power
     
    struth, Sep 23, 2019
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    Mister 911?

    You'll see the report when the investigation is concluded, along with folks being walked out in handcuffs....will you all be foolish enough to nominate another person under criminal probe next election???
     
    struth, Sep 23, 2019
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  23. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Really? So his personal lawyer was meddling on his own huh lol
    Sort of like Cohen paid off mistresses on his own!
     
    The Mello Guy, Sep 23, 2019
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  24. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    How did Biden stop something in 2017?

    His successor has said that no evidence of any wrongdoing exists in connection with Hunter Biden's role at Burisma. Another former official said that an investigation was opened into the company but was long dormant by the time the US pushed for his exit. And Daria Kaleniuk, cofounder of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center told the Washington Post that “Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.”
     
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    The Mello Guy, Sep 23, 2019
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  25. glitch

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    I don't know and neither do you. Seems like a good thing for Rudy to do either way and either way he's not acting as a representative of the US gov.
     
    glitch, Sep 23, 2019
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