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runaway greenhouse effect?

Discussion in 'Science' started by cassandrabandra, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. cassandrabandra

    cassandrabandra New Member

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17488450

    if temps rise by 3C, we will be in for a very big shock.

    I hope that we learn to cooperate and address this issue, instead of bickering over it.
     
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    More doom and gloom from models that are never right

    http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the...e-researchers-admit-co2-models-are-wrong.html

    http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/20...te-data-shows-climate-models-are-wrong-again/

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/26/the-skeptics-case/
     
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    The problem with the models is that they are all over the place. GIGO.
     
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    The pieces use scientific data. When you have nothing you attack the source. Climate models have been wrong so what you are showing is a history or wrong models
     
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    Whereas you show a history of blind belief in denialist bloggers.
     
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    No I used sources that showed proof that models have been wrong. I see no one showing proof of models that were right.
     
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    the models in recent years may not hae been 100% accurate all the time (some have inderstated the impact) but they have generally been able to show the trend.

    the model in question is factoring current events, and is therefore showing the likelihood of temperature increases greater than a number of previous models.

    note, Julian Hunt identifies a problem with the model, but does not dispute the temp increases as being unlikely - and provides his reasons for saying so.

    The information that is factored into models influences their accuracy (or otherwise), and the more information we get, the better the modelling.
     
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    They have not been 100% accurate at all and that is why someone tries to use different weighted averages of them to come up with 3 or 4 likely outcomes.
     
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    History shows it is natural not man

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...eated-medieval-times-human-CO2-emissions.html
     
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    So scientists from Syracuse university are illiterate?
     
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    its about interpretation ....

    anyone with any knowledge of climate change knows that we cn see there are a number of factors that influence warming.

    what we know though is that the CURRENT warming is not part of a natural cycle.

    but you know that.

    unless ....
     
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    I see you refuse to read the link


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...eated-medieval-times-human-CO2-emissions.html


     
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    ummm ... ypou do know that it is a scientific fact that the earth has experienced climate chnage due to a range of factors?

    if I saidto you that you could break your arm if you fell out of a tree .. would you argue that because people have broken their arms playing sport, that it isn't true that you can break your arm falling out of a tree?

    as to the study - I would prefer to see the original source, or at least one from a reliable media outlet, rather than seeing an article from one of the poorest quality media sources in the UK.
     
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    It is not known because it is both not proven nor have computer models predicted the current non warming period. There are other factors that may be in play and that is why it is called science, the quest to find the answer. After all, these are all guesses based on current science. The alarm-ism is political in nature.
     
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    no - neither is gravity. Do you deny that too?
    What "current non warming period". You mean the hottest decade ever recorded?


    And these "other factors that may be in play" are.....!?!?!? Pixie dust?
    "Science" can be found in the decades of research and thousands of published papers that tell us that anthropogenic emissions are causing the planet to warm. Denial of this is not "science".
     
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    which current non warming period is that?
     
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    Once again you attack the source because you can find no fault with the article.

    So you have proof the Syracuse university study is wrong?
     

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