Russia Angrily Demands U.S. Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

No. I did indeed say "years not decades" and I believe that. Though it is possible we are using different terms for "up and running". I'm not talking about EVERYTHING being restored the way it was in a few years.

By the way, you'll never believe this but I do not "project" anything.

 

Why you say NO .. followed by agreeing with what I posted ? "Years not Decades" . What are you saying no to ? You cried out that you were being mischaracterized but now agreeing that this is exactly what you said .. and you be the one doing the mischaractrization.

No different terms for "up and running" .. but good to clarify .. "Everything Restored" in a few years ?? No No No .. and you should have figured this out.. How many times did I tell you .. "Not habitable for 20 years" .. never mind restoring anything.. My bar is way lower than yours .. and thus far easier to meet .. yet you have failed.. horribly - to support your "Years not Decades" claim - while at the same time .. in full denial of massive amounts of proof that you are wrong ..

 

The only places "uninhabitable" after a nuclear war would be within a few miles radius of ground zero. And that wouldn't last very long.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not "uninhabitable". Nor is Bikini Atoll. Or Nova Zemyla.

I'm curious. Just where have nuclear weapons been denoted that ARE UNINHABITABLE.

And note that the simple presence of some level of radiation DOES NOT make a place "uninhabitable"

 

Your claims are demonstrably false . refuted time after time .. yet you return to same vomit.

Fallout goes a whole lot further than a few miles from ground Zero .. and lasts for 20 years not "not very long - a few years"

You then try to use Hiroshima as an example -- again - after being told numerous times that Hiroshima was not a ground burst .. and not a Hydrogen Bomb .. and that Bikini was not habitable for 20 years .. according to the scientists that study it .. and as per the folks that do the modeling of what contamination levels are after a ground blast - in the link given you .. where can see the numbers for yourself.

How is it that you forget that Hiroshima was an air burst - thus not applicable to "ground burst contamination" - after being told this at least 10 times.. and that contamination at Bikini lasted 20 years prior to habitable ?

 

Fallout has limits to how deadly it is genius. Now you'll continue to prattle stupidly about how you've "won". You don't even realize that "hydrogen bombs" are by and far, far cleaner (less radioactive) than mere atomic (fission) bombs despite hydrogen bombs using fission triggers.

Finally you ignore the obvious that you've been told (and ignored):

Most cities would be attacked by air bursts.

Twenty years is only two decades. Not remotely as long as you've been suggesting.

 

This has nothing to do with air bursts ... or would-a - should a fantasies .. the subject is not what Russia "might do" ... the subject is what is Russia capable of doing .. and if they want to attack cities with ground bursts they can do just that.

You claimed the fallout would not extend past a few miles of ground zero .. 100% false - proven to you 10 times - preposterous falsehood .. denial of the obvious land to claim otherwise.

You claim the radioactivity from ground burst will not last but a "few years - a short time" .. 100% false -- proven to you 10 times ..

Yet you return to the same vomit .. seemingly having no memory of the past .. in some bizarre circle of delusion .. who you trying to fool mate - yourself or others ?

 

When I say that I'm referring to lethal levels of fallout.

Do you deny that fallout disperses and becomes less dangerous over distance?

If so please provide some links that back you up on that.

Still do not understand why you are being such an ass over this issue.

 

Airbursts maximize blast damage to targets on the ground.

 

What is this gibberish .. arbitrarily moving the goal posts .. then blabbering nonsense about proving. We are not talking about "Lethal Levels"
We are talking about habitable .. where people can live there .. dosage below what ever rads the chemical brothers figure is safe these days.

as in .. When could people realistically return to the US .. after a full on Russian barrage .. complete with a large number of ground strikes .. above the 400 number told you previously.

Your claim .that contamination levels would be low enough for folks to return in a "short time - a few years" .. is completely false ..as per Bikini..

Your claim that a ground burst contaminates only a few miles from ground zero .. completely false - as per known science .. again proven thus 10 times .. yet you still run around crying Proof Proof .. having provided zero evidence .. never mind proof of your made up unsubstantiated claims.

 

You do know the Bikini Atoll test that you love to refer to was FIFTEEN megatons.

Or the equivalent of at least 150 of the typical Russian strategic nuclear warheads.

 

Isn't this laughable .. you falsely accused me of assuming a linear relationship in a previous post not too far back .. and now that is exactly what you are doing .. Thats the problem with folks who tell fibs .. they forget the fibs they told..

and once again you are wrong .. talking stuff you know little about .. as the contamination area of a 15 megaton bomb is not 15 times that of a 1 megaton .. not 150 times that of a 100 kt .. and nor is the average Russian warhead blowing the US to smithereens 100kt .. so wrong x 2.

You want to know what the numbers are .. go here - do your own similations have fun and learn something -- https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

 

I'll do them if you agree to

1) Take all my posts at face value and seriously.
2) Stop insulting my knowledge of history.
3) Stop misrepresenting what I've posted.

Unless you agree with those conditions I'll regard your posts with all the seriousness that you regard mine.

 

You made 4 false claims .over the last few posts .. jumping from one false claim to the next

1)You claimed the fallout would not extend past a few miles of ground zero .. 100% false
2)You claim the radioactivity from ground burst would only last "few years - a short time" .. 100% false
3)Your claim that 15 megatons is 150 x the contaminated area of 100 kt False
4) Your claim that ave Russian nuke is 100 kt False

Why would I take this plethora of demonstrably false claims seriously ? That would be silly
Since we are not talking history .. how is it that your historical knowledge has been insulted . ? -- did you fall off the page somewhere .. we talking the ability of Russia to wipe the US off the map .. not history ..

and last but not least ..all of the above are claims you made .. the only misrepresentation is your continued whine that you are being misrepresented. .. in denial of the reality .. that your claims are simply false.

 

And two of those four things you listed were NOT things I actually claimed. Not word for word anyway. But it wouldn't matter. You are a master of deliberate dishonest as to what I've posted.

 

All 4 listed below are your claims .. which 2 - are you now going to dishonestly claim that you did not state.

1)You claimed the fallout would not extend past a few miles of ground zero .. 100% false
2)You claim the radioactivity from ground burst would only last "few years - a short time" .. 100% false
3)Your claim that 15 megatons is 150 x the contaminated area of 100 kt False
4) Your claim that ave Russian nuke is 100 kt False

 

Mind if I ask you a question? Just how large is the average Russian nuke? I might've made a mistake as the average American nuclear warhead (IIRC) is the 100 kiloton W76.

 

Indeed you made not a mistake .. but, 4 of them ..

1)You claimed the fallout would not extend past a few miles of ground zero .. 100% false
2)You claim the radioactivity from ground burst would only last "few years - a short time" .. 100% false
3)Your claim that 15 megatons is 150 x the contaminated area of 100 kt False
4) Your claim that ave Russian nuke is 100 kt False

As per your question -- not sure what the exact average is.. but is going to be quite a bit higher 100kt .. ICBM - MIRVs 500-750 kt is normal The SLBM's are the smallest and some ICBM MIRVs at 100-150kt. so the average is going to be way higher than 100 kt. Not sure if they keep many of the 20 megaton puppies around ..

Moral of the story .. Russia can turn USA into a radioactive wasteland - many times over - at least 20 years till folks can safely return to start the rebuild...

 

Thank you.

 

By the way,

The figures here do indicate that the overwhelming majority of Russian strategic nuclear warheads are of the 100 kiloton yield variety.

https://thebulletin.org/premium/202...any-nuclear-weapons-does-russia-have-in-2022/

What that makes an "average" Russian warhead I don't know.

But clearly I'm not far off the mark in what I posted.

 

Informing you of your errors is not a personal attack mate .. now chin up and correct the following 4 false claims you made.

1)You claimed the fallout would not extend past a few miles of ground zero .. 100% False
2)You claim the radioactivity from ground burst would only last "few years - a short time" .. 100% False
3)Your claim that 15 megatons is 150 x the contaminated area of 100 kt False
4) Your claim that ave Russian nuke is 100 kt False

 

I admitted that #4 might not necessarily be true.

To #1 you would have to define exactly what you mean by "fallout"? For example if some level of radioactivity can be detected 2,000 miles from Ground Zero do you consider that "contaminated by fallout"?

 

All 4 are demonstrably false nonsense - you admiting that 1 of your errors "Might" be an error is not much progress mate .. you need to try harder. Fallout is defined in link given previously.

 

You do know I hope that fallout can be "local" or "global".?

I surely hope you know that much.

 

Not sure why you are blubbering the above nonsense - Fallout is defined in the link given you .. no need to hope

 

You didn't give a link to me that I noticed. And even if you did why should I read it? You won't real the stuff at the links I provide for you.

Swear that you'll read mine and I'll consider reading yours.