Russia, China Pledge New Military Ties, Challenge U.S

not surprised since we treat both as rivals, make sense they ally themselves together against us. The irony is we were much friendly with China in 80s to against USSR.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...allenge-us/ar-AAwibTl?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

 

This may be all well &fine maybe.....but each one of these has competing interests of each other. If push came to shove the chinos would leave the russkis to their own demise.

 

Consider both are weaker than US, and they realize they need each other
any nation will have their own interest. but right now they see US as threat to their rise, so whatever interest they have its on the backburner. I don't think this partnership between them will end anytime soon.

 

China and Russia are very similar countries to the USA, more or less. Shady, oligarchical governments, a fondness for backing coups and invading places on spurious pretexts, massive internal fragmentation, etc.

 

This has been in the papers for decades and decades. China and Russia are in many ways natural allies, both having a long heritage of Communism.

 

China does everything in their own interests. It will never blindly follow Russia. As far as I know China has never recognized Crimea as part of Russia, nor supported their adventures in Ukraine. After 2014, Russia wanted to turn China into an anti-NATO ally, but so far China has refused to be part of that alliance. They have good relations, but China does not want to get dragged into European wars because of Russia.

 

Not only that....there's a large section of Russian Siberia that China wants back....they are not going to sacrifice anything on behalf of the Russians!

 

And who could argue if China attempted to take back their lands by force....they'd only be supporting and protecting native Chinese-speaking people!

 

From earlier this month:

http://www.atimes.com/article/new-chinese-defense-minister-says-china-will-support-russia-us-tass/

China’s new defense minister Wei Fenghe has reportedly said during a visit to Moscow that China is ready to support Russia against the US.

“I am visiting Russia as a new defense minister of China to show the world a high level of development of our bilateral relations and firm determination of our armed forces to strengthen strategic cooperation,” Wei said at a meeting with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, according to a report by state-run Tass Russian News Agency.

“Second, to support the Russian side in organizing the Moscow International Security Conference the Chinese side has come to show Americans the close ties between the armed forces of China and Russia, especially in this situation. We’ve come to support you,” he added. “The Chinese side is ready to express with the Russian side our common concerns and common position on important international problems at international venues as well.”

Wei is attending the seventh Moscow International Security Conference with a delegation of other high-level Chinese military officials. He emphasized to the Russian press that his trip was coordinated directly with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

 

Support does not equate to alliance. China will not send any troops to Europe to support Russian adventures or to confront NATO. They did not support Russian policy on Ukraine and Georgia.

If Russia is going to have any conflict with NATO, they should not expect Chinese troops to pour into Europe to help repel NATO troops. China does not want a war with the west.

 

There won't be a war in Europe. China doesn't do alliances in the western sense, but it's support of Russia is clear.

 

I believe it's more lip service than anything else....Russia might be quite surprised if they get involved in a situation where they need China's help in a military sense!

 

Historically, there is been a difference between what China says and what it actually does.

Did China recognize Crimea as part of Russia?

Did China support Russian policy on Ukraine and Georgia?

Did China pledge any military aid to Russia in case of war?

The answer is no.

What kind of support can China provide to Russia?

Russia already has similar or better weapon systems compared to China.

 

it doesn't have to drag in a EU war. but China has issues in W.pacific, Russia has issue in EU. When they align they can work on several front.
1. Russia can lease land and sell resource to China(in case US ever block china sea route)
2. China has $$ to buy Russia stuff, this make Russia less painful under EU sanctions.
3. China want to exert it influence in ScS, W.Pacific, while Russia take on E. EU. If china/Russia are partners, meaning Russia don't have to worry about China in its backyard, like soviet did in 80s. This way Russia can put ALL its resource at the EU front, while china can put ALL its resource at south china sea and West pacific. This mean US has to divert its resource to counter both at different geolocation.
4. China can provide its electronic know how to Russia, while Russia provide china in rocket technology etc.

if you look into it, they both has individual interest but a lot these interest are align with each others.

I don't think there will be a war with Russia or china, but both are exerting influence in their perceived sphere of influence. What this mean for US is we have to divert resource at different locations.

 

You just haven't been paying attention.

China and Russia are in the same boat in that the West is pressuring both, albeit in different ways. Both are working to end US dollar supremacy and thus both are being pressured.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-fear-coming-true-russia-china-alliance-25222

Russia and China are drawing closer together as Washington ratchets up pressure on Moscow and Beijing.

In recent months, the United States has enacted sanctions against Moscow and has imposed a series of trade tariffs on Beijing, antagonizing both great powers simultaneously. As result of American pressure, the two powers—which already had grievances against Washington—have formed a strategic partnership to balance against the U.S-led liberal hegemony.

"I am visiting Russia as a new defense minister of China to show the world a high level of development of our bilateral relations and firm determination of our Armed Forces to strengthen strategic cooperation," People’s Liberation Army Gen. Wei Fenghe, China’s minister of national defense, said at the Moscow International Security Conference according to the Russian TASS new agency.

Wei explicitly told the conference attendees that he was there to demonstrate to Washington that China is there to support Russia in their common struggle against an American dominated liberal international world order.

"Second, to support the Russian side in organizing the Moscow International Security Conference the Chinese side has come to show Americans the close ties between the Armed Forces of China and Russia, especially in this situation. We’ve come to support you,” Wei said. “The Chinese side is ready to express with the Russian side our common concerns and common position on important international problems at international venues as well."

The Russian side also praised the new level of cooperation reached between Beijing and Moscow.

“The efforts of the leadership of the both countries, Russian-Chinese relations today has reached principally new unprecedented level, and have become a critical factor in keeping peace and international security” Russian defense minister Gen. Sergei Shoigu said.

As Carnegie Moscow scholar Dmitri Trenin wrote in his book Should We Fear Russia?, Russia and China are wary of each other, but abhor American dominance of the international order.

“Each country is wary of coming too close to the other. China and Russia, however, can continue to consolidate and upgrade their relationship short of an alliance,” Trenin wrote. “In this case, more of Russia’s natural and military-technological resources would be made available to China. Strategic coordination between Moscow and Beijing would remain loose, but, in the larger scheme of things concerning the world order, Beijing and Moscow will be on the same side.”

The goal of the Russian-Chinese entente would be to limit American dominance across the globe.

“The Greater Eurasia that they are constructing will not be run from a single center, but their continental entente will essentially be aimed at limiting US dominance on the edges of the continent and in the world at large,” Trenin wrote.

Thus far, Washington’s own actions have fueled closer cooperation between the two Eurasian titans. As Russia grows more isolated from the West, the Sino-Russian alliance will only grow closer.

 

alliance doesn't mean they will help each other in case of war. for example if Russia has war in EU, and US spend significant resource in that region. China may take advantage of that and get Taiwan, ScS, even NK may take advantage of that situation. If that happen, it would be like WWII, where US has two front war. Pacific and EU against two very powerful country, even if it didn't result in nuke.
looking at WWII, does Japan and German has any culture or any other link? they are not even neighbors, but yet they are allies. because both consider US as its enemy. We already consider Russia/china enemies, its natural they think the enemy of my enemy is a friend.

 

china already provide support for Russia in many ways. ever since Russia sanction, china start take up the slack of Russia export oil/gas lease land etc etc. Russia has resource and land, China has $$$. China has electronic know how, Russia has other know how such has heavy rocket engine etc. They been exchange tech for years now. Recent Syria china already support Russia on this. China can also tie up US resource in ScS/W.pacific while Russia tie up US/Nato resource on EU front. There are many way they can support each other, other than come to each other aid during war.

 

No, they can just tie US at two different front. EU and W.pacific. which is more important to China, Taiwan, south china sea or Siberia. Furthermore China already solve border issue with Russia in 70s.

 

China is also heavily invested with the US, $$$ wise, manufacturing, etc. I don't think theyll want to jeopardize damaging thst or rock the boat in any way.

 

I think the UN is what it's about, China have completed it's islands in the South China sea, I think they just need to man and equip. They have also started with renewed threats on Taiwan. Therefore I think it's more about the two evil empire's seeking support for one one another in the UN as they invade sovereign nations and violate international law

 

While China can do it, they won't do it. They have too much to loose economically by challenging the west. Russia would love for them to tie up NATO on two fronts, but China will not do it.

 

An alliance perhaps, but not a direct confrontation. It would seem more intelligent for China to let the west keep itself busy slogging it out with Russia and Iran while slowly consolidating their own power over east Asia.

 

China sits on the fence on everything. They are smart. While China did not support Russia - they did not condemn them either.

China has been on Russia's side in the Syria conflict.

Russia and China (and India for that matter) have been working cooperatively military technology. In particular missile technology.
This cooperation on military technology will help both nations to advance at a more rapid pace which is a negative.

China needs energy and Russia has energy. In addition Russia shares a border with China. This makes Sanctions on Russia largely ineffective in some areas.

Russia is winning in the ME. Their influence over Syria and Iran has increased. They have made inroads with Turkey, Iraq - and even Saudi Arabia to some degree although I do not see the SA relationship amounting to much except in the arena of an alternative to the Petrodollar - which is advancing quickly.

Germany is looking like it wants to play ball with Russia .. as Germany goes so does the EU.

This mess in Syria (that we created) and this mess in Yemen (that we are involved in) is coming to bite us in the backside.

 

Because MOST governments of the world operate much the same, because ALL governments are composed of humans, who are susceptible to the temptations of power.

Most governments are used by various opportunists to enrich themselves at the expense of the citizens. Unfortunately, MOST elected officials, especially in the U.S. have been corrupted.