Russia invaded Crimea or not?

Im very interested in this question, because a few months ago i was in the Crimea and talked a lot with the locals. Most people are positive about this and believe that this was their decision. But this does not prevent the US and other countries from imposing sanctions on Russia, because of which Europe is suffering losses. After reading this post, where Peter the Great conquered the Crimea, I decided to write a short text with history of the Crimea.

History of transfer of Crimea to Russia proceeds since 1774, from fall of Ottoman Empire, after bloody wars Turks abandoned Crimea and on April 8 in 1783 empress Catherine II issued a decree on official inclusion of Crimea in the Russian Empire.

Historically, Crimea has always been a Russian territory. Roosevelt and Churchill also agreed with it, in February 1945 they arrived to the Yalta conference in Crimea at the invitation of Stalin, where "Big Three" signed important international documents that changed the world order for many years.

In 1954 by order of Khrushchev Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR for solution of economic problems. The true reason of this was that Crimea extremely needed water in postwar period. In half of the settlements there was no freshwater. Then Khrushchev decided to build a water reservoir with hydro power plant to provide the peninsula with freshwater. But the water pipe had to be built on the territory of Ukraine and Russia could not control its construction. Thats why Khrushchev came up with the idea to transfer the Crimea region with the construction to Ukraine. What's the difference thought Khrushchev, who will own Crimea, because the USSR is indestructible and eternal. On 19 February 1954 the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean region from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

After the collapse of the USSR in January 1992 the Supreme Soviet of Russia questioned the constitutionality of the decision adopted in 1954, but Ukraine rejected this. In a resolution of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation of 21 may 1992 No. 2809-1 saying that transfer of Crimea from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR was adopted with violation of the Constitution, there was a violation of article 33 of the USSR constitution at the time of the decision. According to article 33 of the constitution, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union did not have the authority to change the borders of the republic without the agreement of the republic in question. In accordance with articles 16, 19, 22 and 23 of the Constitution, the territory of the USSR could not be changed without the consent of the highest state authority - Supreme council of the USSR.

All world media, politicians, Internet users say that the Crimean referendum was illegal, because it contradicts the constitution of Ukraine. Yes, according to Article 73 of the Constitution of Ukraine, addressing issues related to the Ukrainian border is allowed only in the all-Ukrainian referendum. As stated in article 5 of the Ukrainian Constitution that the people are the bearers of sovereignty and the only source of power in Ukraine, and no one can usurp it. During the period of the Crimean referendum, the legitimate government in Ukraine was absent, due to the coup d'état. In such situation, when state institutions are destroyed and don’t work. On what people to rely on? On their own will and generally recognized norms of international law. The UN Charter states that all peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of this right, all peoples can establish their political status and likewise provide for their economic, social and cultural development, the people of Crimea used this right and held a Crimean referendum, where almost 90% of people approved the decision to join the Crimea to the Russian Federation.
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So why it was invasion? Because obama said so?

 

not only the Crimea, Ukraine has a lot of historically not belonging to it territories which it had given by the Bolsheviks

 

But when Crimeans decided return to Russia to avoid the war, everyone went crazy.

 

*To avoid civil instability, provoked by violent riots and a coup in capital of their country. War started after, when Turchinov launched his "anti-terrorist" operation in Lugansk and Donetsk.


And, well - yes. If I understand correctly USA still continues it's anti-soviet policies, but now applies them on Russian Federation, basically in attempt to eradicate potential political competitor. I guess explaining that there are infinite number of things we'll do sooner than split our federation in separate states for sake of foreign agressor is unnecessary. In short - unless it keeps going on for a few more centuries and nothing changes of the world - USA may prevail, otherwise - every time in the world emerges an agressive wannabe-hegemon rest of world slowly and quietly turns on them. It been so with Ottoman Empire, with British Empire, with Russian Empire, French Republic, and many others. Right now USA stepped forward, with it's military NATO, bases across world and influence over European Union.

I am not politologist, I am a humble fan of history. In my opinion it appears agressive politics such as USA anti-russian campaign will result in opposition. On top of that - such things suck resources from domestic budget, and.. Well, let's say I never expected to see rallies in USA being more violent than rallies in my own country. In country that had tanks shooting at parlament house a less than quarter of century ago. Yet it is happening.

 

Yes, to be exact.

The funny thing is, that the European government is pursuing the same policy, turning a blind eye to all conflicts of the United States. And people follow this policy without using their brains. Russia should return Crimea to Ukraine, and it doesn't matter that Crimeans don't want war at their homes.

 

Same goes for the moskalis, where should we start...
1)Karelia
2)Moldova(Bessarabia)
3)konigsberg(Kaliningrad)
4)eastern Siberia (China)
List goes on.....

 

ATO operations in Lugansk...sure because zvolotch such as strelkov/Girkin decided to enter Ukraine illegally, you don't seem to realize this.

 

Uh yeah. You had little green men with rifles in the streets there.

 

Let's enumerate territories that historically been United States:
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What?

Yes! Because all the real soldiers were in Iraq and Syria bombing civilians.

 

?!?!0what does this have to do with anything?

 

How does this relate to the topic? And yes I agree with Ninian that the war began after "anti-terrorist" operations of Turchinov in regions that didn't follow the policy of Kyiv and declare themselves autonomous republics to become part of Russia as Crimea. The troops of Russia were in the Crimea, but no one said that they were forced to vote.

 

ATO operations against the likes of the now dead terrorists as Givi, moto, and the rest of that trashy band along with sovok terrorist Strelkov, why shouldn't kyiv enfirceclaws on its own territory, it's their backyard.

What vote you talk about in LDPR? That one on autonomy or something like that, no one recognizes it, even the muscovites. It's BS.

 

may be. so
The best option is the simultaneous fragmentation of Ukraine and Russia .-In this case Sloboda(Slobodzanschina)which was torn by the Bolsheviks will be reunited

 

It's already beginning.

 

So you agree with separation of Ukraine now? Gosh, and I thought you was at least consistent.

 

I meant both...Russia&ukraine...

 

I'm always consistent. Can't say the same for you...

 

Russia is making a powerplay, no doubt. But thats all there is to it. Most of the region identifies culturally with the Russians, and the Russians are taking advantage of that.

On the other side... Soros pours in millions of dollars to fund literal goose-stepping, swastika bearing Nazis into power in opposition. NAZIS. Seriously, google 'Svoboda.'



if ur still not convinced, heres a leftist rag on the subject

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/

"One of the “Big Three” political parties behind the protests is the ultra-nationalist Svoboda, whose leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, has called for the liberation of his country from the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” After the 2010 conviction of the Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk for his supporting role in the death of nearly 30,000 people at the Sobibor camp, Tyahnybok rushed to Germany to declare him a hero who was “fighting for truth.” In the Ukrainian parliament, where Svoboda holds an unprecedented 37 seats, Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” According to Per Anders Rudling, a leading academic expert on European neo-fascism, the self-described “socialist nationalist” Mykhalchyshyn is the main link between Svoboda’s official wing and neo-Nazi militias like Right Sector."

This is who we're supporting just so we can stick it to Russia.

 

Sure...there's these parties in several countries throughout the world. Tons of Neo Nazis here in US, a few where I'm at.

It's not like the Russians didn't crawl into bed with Krauts...just Google and wiki Molotov/Ribbentrop, and it's all there to see.

 

Well, there is a bit of a difference between diplomatic relations with nazist state in 30th of XX century - and having an own ultra-right party with seats in parlament in XXI century. Nazists are disliked not for their connections to Germany or NSDAP, but for other - much more concerning - reasons.

 

Same as the ones in Russia...you have your own wing nuts in there, starting with your Putinka!

 

None of that justifies what we're doing. Russia is opposing fascism in the Ukraine... we're promoting it there while condeming it here at home.

 

The Russians should look at their own fascist wing nuts in their own govt before opposing it anywhere else. The way I see it, is they brought it on upon themselves decades ago, so they can thank some of their past failed policies for what transpires today...in Europe mainly that is.

 

Our nuts are dispensed over political parties, not in bigger proportion than in majority of other countries. And they have no legit ultra-right party that would be representing their nutty views.

If only we had one, like Ukraine or Poland.

 

Well look at it this way, it was the former prison SU that indirectly sowed the seeds for the fascists and Nazis of today.
It's not as if there weren't red flags way back in the 30s when gruzinsky koba/molotov, was playing footsie with the (G)anzes, and figured he/they could do "breeziness" with Germans.

Well in the end moskalis got what they asked for, and nowadays cry about Nazis/fascists everywhere)).