Russia is transferring forces even from ... Siberia to the Ukrainian border

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  1. Jazz

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    He is lying and joking, that's all. But to joke around about such serious matter is retarded... he should be removed for incompetency.
    The same for his dumb remark to Putin.
     
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    This is funny post IMO.

    What to do with nations that aren't ready to distributing wealth and resources? Or nations that aren't ready to give up their identity?

    Aren't you asking for bloodshed in what you're pushing? Are you going to get rich Arabs to give up their wealth? Their identity? How about China? You're never going to convince them of giving up their identity either...or Japan and India.

    So what's the plan here to achieve those goals? War? Because that's only way.
     
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    Give up their identity? That's stretching things a bit. Easing up on border or trade restrictions is hardly surrendering national identity.

    And no, obviously it's not a solution to force any nation into anything of the sort. It should be like the EU and every other international agreement ever -- something voluntary that offers benefits to all involved as an incentive.

    And finally, nations as we know them today are a modern phenomenon. It wasn't that long ago that kingdoms and empires were still commonplace, and not long before that that today's nations were carved up into smaller self-governing entities. Germany was only united under Otto von Bismarck in 1871. As technology improves, it creates opportunities to further unite humanity in common purpose for the common good, and it becomes more feasible to govern ever larger geographical regions. That we can communicate in real time with people on the other side of the planet is both amazing and a real game-changer as far as international relations are concerned. So much more possible now than has ever been possible historically. We should not be so eager to keep ourselves divided politically or even culturally just because that's how we grew up.
     
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    "Lets get Ready to Rumble" - Russia doesn't often move troops like this unless something is up ... perhaps annexation of some of the Russian regions in Ukraine calling for separation.
     
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    Only certain areas have a majority Russian - such as Donetsk People Republic ! (see flag above)
    Just a small area that borders Russia .. Ukraine wont miss it... Annexation time - same logic as Kosovo - Nice area .. close to the Black sea .. Putin needs some more beachfront property perhaps :)
     
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    Bigger than that. Russia is amassing tanks on the border with Ukraine in areas not in the Donbass. Putin is signaling to Zelensky that if he goes into the Donbass to kill ethnic Russians, then Russia is going into Kiev. The Russians could drive into Kharkiv (Ukraine’s second largest city) in a hour.
     
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    Doubt it will go that far - more just scare tactics .. but if this keeps up we could definitely see annexation.. Russia doesn't have much to lose . we have sanctioned everything we can.
     
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    I don't mind if the U.S. counters the Russians, but not including committing our troops. I am not interested in a war with Russia over Ukraine. And, I am not interested in any of our kids dying for Ukraine. We didn't raise them for that. Period.
     
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    Wow....did you paint that flag yourself?

    Nice area?....you been there?

    Annexation time.....we'll see. When Ukraine is in NATO....it'll be like West/East Germany....we know how that turned out.:)

    Donetsk is near the water??....you must mean a sewer?:)
     
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    Ukraine isn't joining NATO.
     
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    Beware of the Communist, Conan! Look, what they did to Russia. They were about to take over Germany after WWI.

    I have to leave, unfortunately, but try reading in this book or google yourself and see how destructive and power hungry they are...
    https://justice4poland.com/2020/02/20/bella-dodd-the-new-world-order-is-communism/
     
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    Biden is old now and senile, and a pitiful sight, but in his younger years he looked sleezy. I even laughed and said that having Biden as vice president was Obama's insurance that he wouldn't be assassinated.

    As for the dumb remark to Putin, it was deliberate. The whole interview was staged to worsen relations with Russia - maybe for a war in Ukraine. Putin had always avoided a war because he knew it's what Obama was hoping for. Obama thought that Putin would be foolish enough to get entangled in Ukraine the way the USSR did in Afghanistan.

    The situation is different now and Russia has the strength to combat anything NATO could throw at Russia. They are also showing that any war will not be a slow dragged out affair, and that it will be a slam dunk. The Bear has risen again.


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    who thought of me,
    as being but a mockery.
    Not knowing of the harm I'll do,

    when coming back at ye - Jeannette
     
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    It's not for annexation. If Russia wanted to annex them, they would have done it when the Republics asked them years ago. Kiev has a big build up of troops along the borders of the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. If Kiev enters the Republics and restarts its genocide and ethnic cleansing campaign, then Russia will attack.

    If a war does start with Russia, then Hungary, Poland and Romania should try to take back their own lands in Ukraine as well.
     
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    If Ukraine joins Nato, Russia said it's a casus belli, because there is no way they will allow missiles along their border. Zalensky is crazy - but then again they all are. Kind of reminds me of the Nazis before WWII.


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    I fight on land and fight on shore,
    and listen to the trumpets sound
    while men are dying all around.

    Their cries of pain I hear with glee.
    Who cares about their misery,
    for being masters of their fate
    emboldens us with scorn and hate
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    Neither did the Baltics.
     
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    Um, why would Ukraine joining NATO be any worse than having the Baltic countries in NATO? They're all on Russia's precious border.

    Putin's cases for war are bluster and BS.
     
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    Yeah....LOL....theres probably several hundred missiles in Baltics, all within 5 min striking distance of St Pete.
     
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    Still nothing but [​IMG] from Jenny :(
     
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    The port in Crimea was the big difference in this instance - a Russian Strategic port for 400 years. Another reason was that Putin Drew a red line in the sand - no way Russia was going to have the port in Crimea under the NATO banner - and everyone knew this - even without Putin drawing the line and making it clear.

    Yet - NATO decided to poke the Bear one more time - and this time the Bear woke up. All the leaders wandering around feigning ignorance was a pathetic display - but in any case .. no need for war .. and don't recall Putin making a case for one.

    If we are talking annexation of a few small portions of Ukraine where separatists want to secede - he could just use the Kosovo precedent .
     
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    Great post, Jeannette!
    Did you read what Paul Craig Roberts had to say to the situation in Ukraine?:

    Washington’s Follies Are Dangerous to Us and to the World
    It is 1939 all over again!

    Read all of it here:

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...follies-are-dangerous-to-us-and-to-the-world/

    Yes, It is 1939 and the “Polish Guarantee” all over again. !!!
    It can't be stated any clearer.
    SOMEONE, PLEASE, WAKE UP!!

    Well, it will likely be Putin to keep a clear head and take the sacrifice to save the world. He already has several times before taken a loss and not retaliated to avoid a confrontation.
     
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    but why keep poking the bear? The West has a plan and purpose for doing it. If you read this article, it will become clear to you what sort of dangerous game is being played... recklessly!

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...follies-are-dangerous-to-us-and-to-the-world/
     
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    I have the solution to this "Do as we say not as we do" policy. US wants to send 300 Tons of weapons to Ukraine . Russia can send 300 tons of sophisticated weapons to Lebanon - and perhaps a few real rockets to the Palestinians .. not the home made versions that folks like to blame on Iran..

    or hey - if we are going to get into the arming other nations game .. how about we just give Iran a few nukes .. that will shut Bibi up.

    fricken morons - full tilt. Anything to prop up the Military Industrial Complex - keep that gravy train going - rather than spend on infrastructure - education - technology - ramping up our economy to compete in the 3rd millennium .. where the real war is being fought - the US getting backside handed to because they are still pretending to be the worlds police - and wasting massive treasure on that endeavor ..

    This is not what an Empire going up looks like - but one crashing and burning.
     
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    Likely NATO is 'drafting' Ukraine, and there are signs that Ukraine is happy to join.
     
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    Washington DC certainly has no shortage of idiots. Now that we have no media in this country and elections are determined by whoever programmed the voting machines, it is almost a 100% certainty that the end is near.

    It's rather ironic, but a proxy war in Ukraine against Russia may very well save this country. It's possible the Democrats won't be able to cheat enough to win in 2024. Nobody in this country has the appetite for another war, especially in a place most Americans couldn't identify on a map; a place without any strategic interests such as oil. Ukraine, for all intents and purposes, is a 3rd world shithole full of corruption....another bottomless pit to take US taxpayer's dollars.

    Since Washington's 2014 coup, billions in 'aid' has been sent to Keiv, almost all of which was earmarked to rebuild infrastructure in the Donbass because of the war. Practically ZERO has been spent where it was supposed to go, so the question is, where did it go and where does it keep going? - - Into corrupt oligarch's and US politicians pockets. The US military industrial complex...one of the largest money laundering outfits in existence.
     
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    Much of Ukraines military is being raised to NATO standards....interoperability, structures, combat capability,etc. 7 years of recent cooperation has proved that.

    On the flipside....7 yrs of occupation in DPR DMZ....has yielded death and destruction by the Russki Mir concept,rationed water/electricity,bombed Airport,lousy pensions,lost generation of young peoples, 24/7 Stalinist propaganda,etc. Basically LDPR are Muscovian hell holes.
    Ukraine headed for NATO.
     
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