Russia on brink of Civil War as Chechen rebels prepare to topple key Putin ally...Ramzan Kadyrov.

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    https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...tin-chechnya-jihad-kadyrov-ukraine-war-update

    If true....$hit will really hit the fan in the South Caucases and along the southern flank with Afstan.....I mentioned this could happen before....that whole region will burn like a Roman candle.

    I've been hearing some not too pleasant rumblings between Dwarfstan and Ramzie in recent weeks.....Kadyrovtsi special units got butchered in Ukraine.....Dwarfstan not happy....then Chechens,Buryats,Kalmyks,Dagestan, started mutinies and gunfights over stolen toilets,washing machines,jewelry....resulting in hundreds more dead...:).....what can one say.....savages basically.:)
     
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    It would be good news if true.....but I'll wait for it to happen before getting too excited.
     
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    Yeah....I suspect if that happens the Mafiosi will have a ...HUGE....problem in the South Caucases.....they're neck deep in $hit in Ukraine....this will burn the whole region.
     
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    Nah, the mass of the populations of all nations are docile dull-normal IQ's. The state controls the means of coercion, which we almost always see when police all over the planet obey the oligarchs who control governments against the protests of their own people. Now I will give you this though--it is said that about 3.5% of a population can cause a civil war, so if enough armed men and women revolt against their authorities, IN A CONCENTRATED AREA AND IF PROPERLY LED BY CHARISMATIC LEADERS, civil war could result, and overthrown governments could result. But again, most armed forces and police almost always obey orders to suppress rebellions.

    I am thinking to of statements that Putin was dying, and another that he was going to be replaced by an internal mutinous group, and that this was imminent,...All of that proved to be wishful thinking. He is still head of state and still banging the drum, and nobody in authority with enough allies and muscle is contesting his leadership.

    I do hope you are right of course, but imagine the bloodshed, destruction, waste, rape, robbery and all the other ills which crazed armed men perpetrate until order is restored by the new authorities.

    By the way, I know there were a sizeable population of pygmies in the Ituri forest of the Congo, but "Dwarfstan?" Where the hell is Dwarfstan, and are there dwarfs there?
     
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    Oh, I forgot to say that who would consider the Express media as a reliable source of information for intelligent well-informed people? The Guardian or London Times or BBC maybe, but Express? It is a tabloid which capitalizes upon drama, omissions, guesses, assertions and whatever else shakes the emotions of its modest number of readers.
     
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    About as much as RT,Sputnik,South Front,Duran,Zerohedge, ....there you go.. enjoy!
     
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    "Dwarfstan " is the current Kremlin chimp Vladolf Putler. I don't know how pygmies of ...whatever....forest are relevant?
     
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    There may be uprisings, but they are years from an organised opposition.

    This is something Putin expects, and goes to great lengths to be ready to stomp it into the mud.
     
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    Could be that the harder he stomps, the harder they fight back. We shall see.
     
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    Unfortunately, no, we won't see.
     
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    That's what was said about Ukraine.
     
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    Russia has set up the military to quash any rebellion. His secret service keeps any democratic opposition hobbled. Putin has gotten rid of anyone that has what it take to replace him.

    Nothing big will happen, until Putin dies.
     
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    While such a development would seem a godsend, for all of those who oppose Putin's invasion (including myself), the article seems to be blowing up its facts-- that a Chechen rebel leader, of Chechens fighting for Ukraine, saying that more unrest in Chechnya, is coming-- beyond what they warrant, in its title's conclusion, about "civil war," in a part of the Russian Republic's federation. That said, it doesn't mean that this might not develop. It certainly would seem to be optimal timing, for any revolution-minded, in Russia's Republics-- provided that they are not overly worried that, in such a desperate circumstances, Putin would resort to weapons of mass destruction, against their populace.
     
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    Putin thought that he could take Kyiv and do it quickly. I don't know why you imagine that his planning and preparations for Chechnya are unbeatable. I expect that they are beginning to feel encouraged about their chances by how well the Ukrainians are doing, and let's not forget that Chechens are in Ukraine, fighting against the Russians and learning.
     
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    There is a huge difference between inside the country and outside.

    Saddam was so bad at war, that one time he tried to start a war and ran out of gas before he got to the border. But inside the country, he had imitated Stalin, and had the best internal security in the world.

    Putin is similar.
     
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    There is that, but there is also the fact that Chechnya is not Russia proper, but a country/region conquered and ruled over by force with the help of Kadyrov. It will ultimately depend on several factors, especially on popular support in Chechnya for regaining independence, but no system is perfect and no security state unbeatable. In the end, it's always a minority of people using force and intimidation to repress a population.
     
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    They're not....the South Caucases will burn like a bonfire once a fuse is lit......what will Russia do?....80% of its Western Military district is destroyed in Ukraine....40K+ dead....50K-60K wounded....50K POWs....he's robbed Belarus of much if it's ammo stores....Belarus is now vulnerable to NATO incursions....

    There's probably close to 200k Talib rebels on the Southern flank....many of them still have memories when the Sovs were in town in the 80s.....Dwarfstan ...secretly....was probably comfortable with US/Nato being in Afstan for the last 20 yrs....kept the Talibs pinned down and on the run....now US has left town....that's all exposed....looks like Kremlin will pick up its own tab for security now.....Good Luck.:)
     
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