Russia reveals new details of ‘Poseidon’ underwater nuclear drone

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    https://defence-blog.com/news/russia-reveals-new-details-of-poseidon-underwater-nuclear-drone.html

    This is a very good weapon. Almost instantly, it can nullify the military power and economy of the USA. The American fleet, located at the naval bases in an instant, will turn into a pumpkin. As well as the coastal cities of the United States. Other Russian special means of peace enforcement also instantly eliminate those ships and submarines that are on alert in the ocean.

    Let us remember what new means of coercion to peace Russia has.

    S-500: rocket complex "two in one"

    The official name of the new Russian anti-aircraft missile system is the Prometheus S-500. It represents the qualitative development of the now legendary S-300 and S-400 complexes.
    According to the American National Interest magazine, even ordinary missiles of the new Russian complex will be able to hit targets at a maximum altitude of 95–97 km, almost at the height of an imaginary “Karman line” that separates the Earth’s atmosphere from outer space. This fact alone makes it possible to classify complexes as a medium-range antimissile defense system. In other words, as a system capable not only of fighting enemy cruise missiles and aircraft, but also of knocking down ballistic missile warheads outside the atmosphere.
    In addition, it is stated that S-500 missiles with maneuvering head units and with their own radar stations can be used to destroy space targets with a kinetic strike at an altitude of 200 km, in the zone of movement of ICBM combat units and medium-range missiles. This allows us to consider a seemingly classic air defense system at the same time as a missile defense system. Moreover, a system capable of hitting ballistic missiles on the most vulnerable, accelerating part of the trajectory, until the separation of warheads and the release of false targets.
    Of course, the C-500 will be difficult to hit on the upper stage of an intercontinental rocket or a rocket fired from a submarine. However, Prometheus may well solve the task of fighting medium-range ballistic missiles: the complex can independently intercept an MRSD with a launch range of up to 3,500 km. In addition to the above, the claimed height of the effective zone of destruction of 200 km makes it possible to shoot down reconnaissance satellites in near space, since their usual orbits also lie within this imaginary sphere.

    "Dagger" and "Zircon": monsters that can break through any missile defense

    two hypersonic novelties - the X-47M2 Dagger aircraft missile system and the Zircon 3M22 sea anti-ship cruise missile. Missiles "Dagger" can accurately hit both ground targets and large surface ships of the enemy: aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers and frigates. The Dagger missile is an aircraft modified version of the Iskander complex ballistic missile adapted for launch from Tu-22M3 bombers and MiG-31K fighters.
    Airplanes specially upgraded to launch this rocket actually serve as its first stage, launching outside the dense layers of the atmosphere at altitudes from 12 to 15,000 m. Independent flight of a rocket takes place at all on the border of the stratosphere in order to avoid significant air resistance and makes it inaccessible to conventional air defense systems.
    “Zircon” is a more “slow-moving” rocket, if such an epithet is applicable to hypersonic weapons - its speed is “only” 8 M. The task of creating a hypersonic ramjet engine is solved precisely on the "Zircon", which makes it the first serial hypersonic cruise missile in the world.

    "Sarmat" to replace "Satan"

    The initial weight of the Sarmat rocket is 150-200 tons, the range can be set in two versions - 16 thousand km with a payload of 5 tons and 9-10 thousand km - with a maximum throwing weight of 10 tons. It is worth saying that it is the heavy ICBMs that are the “headache” of any missile defense system. Such a powerful rocket allows you to “pull” into the ballistic trajectory not only an impressive package of divided combat units, but also a lot of other “gifts”. Such “gifts” include false targets, directional jammers and jammers for positioning satellite signals and anti-missile radars. In fact, this alone is enough to turn the work of the enemy's missile defense system into hell. Well, the range of 9–10 thousand km allows you to launch a new “Sarmat” from the depths of Russian territory, which makes its interception on the active site almost impossible.
    In addition, the head units of the Sarmat ICBM can enter a suborbital trajectory, implementing the concept of a “global strike”. Namely - the warheads go to the target along a trajectory somewhat shorter than a circular orbit, moving toward the enemy from an unexpected direction (for example, through the South Pole).
    Such an approach to the creation of controlled warheads extremely complicates the development of missile defense missile defense systems, since the defeat of the target antimissile with a speed of 17-22 M, and even on a head-on course, is extremely difficult to implement.
    Hypersonic "Sarmat" designed for a long flight in the atmosphere. They are controlled in all three planes with the help of a special conical nose stabilizer and aerodynamic control surfaces. Outside the atmosphere, the maneuvering of the combat unit is provided by a propulsion unit powered by liquefied carbon dioxide. All this makes the flight of "Sarmat" completely unpredictable and allows you to break through any missile defense system.

    These are several well-known means in the arsenal of Russia for forcing any crazy person to the world.

    What do you think about it?
     
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    Keep dreaming......and almost "instantly" before any russki knows anything....Muscovites will be glowing purple/blue for the next 15K years.... every square inch.LOL.
     
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    Ha, another Russian cartoon that claims their sub-sized bomb can go underwater with speeds of 200km/h.
    Can you imagine accelerating a large submerged machine to 130mph?

    I think russians are the only ones who believe in this crap.
     
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    You are Ukrainian. You do not believe. You are waiting for the collapse of Russia.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Yes, Russian collapse is a slow and inevitable process. Compare Russian Empire of 1900 to borders of Russia today.
    And yes, good luck with accelerating a giant heavy sub to 200kmh.
     
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    Be thankful ....we the USA.....saved you from those snow covered Teutonic chaps.....seriously:))
     
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    If you can´t imagine something, then it is problem of your imagination but not of the capabilities of the weapon.
     
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    Is that taught in history lessons in american schools? If so, no surprise... What a low level of education!
     
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    Uh, no....not a level of low education, quite true rather....even though you disagree. Gee, for low education, you didn't hesitate to come here and study, rather hypocritical!

    Quite ironic....that you live/work in the same country that we helped the SU defeat,lol.

    I understand that some people in Moskva have bumper stickers on their vehicles that have"attack Berlin", even today?

    Funny peeps these vatniks:)).
     
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    Maybe the next "hypersonic" missile will make it outside moscow city limits someday...LOL.
     
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    Those who don't believe Russia has what it says it has, must be fools. Hopefully they won't bring us to the abyss.




    Fools Rush In Where Angels Fear To Tread
     
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    Sorry, but physics in this universe has limitations. One of them is accelerating a giant sub underwater to 200kmh or 130mph. I’ve been on boats, drive my car every day and have some very serious reservations about anyone’s ability to accelerate a large sub underwater to such speeds and on the top of that - being undetected, as such large device moving so fast would definitely create so much noise everyone on both shores of the ocean would know russians are coming.
     
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    I’ll believe it when I see it.
     
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    Feel free to use one whenever you want. Our missile subs, which spend most of their time at sea and not in port, would survive the attack and possess enough nuclear missiles to destroy every city in Russia 5 times over.
     
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    Of course,low level. I did not talk about Universities and about post-graduate studies. I talk about about basic schools & secondary education which is on average very poor in the US. Yes, I work in the country that was an enemy of the Soviet Union, but I see nothing wrong in that as modern Germany has nothing to do with the one that existed 80 years ago.
     
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    I am sorry, but the speeds of underwater rockets more than 300km/h has already been reached. By the way, it was designed by the institute within Ukranian Academy of Sciences as early as in 1960s:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
    I do not see any evident reasons, why by now there could not be designed anything like described in the post. Of course, it produces a lot of noise, however, I wonder how would you hit it if the speed of it exceeds the speeds of the any used torpedos.
     
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    Read about the weight of a 100mt warhead. Look at the shape of the supposed weapon. Now consider the fact that it’s going to be the size of a large sub. You can’t compare it to a pointy narrow torpedo.
     
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    So what about the weight? In 1960s the useful weight transported by the rockets was around 5000kg. Now it is one order of magnitude more. I do not see a problem to create a heavy torpedo that moves at that speed. As soon as it is not claimed it moves faster than a speed of light in water, everything is possible. I am not a specialist in hydrodynamics, neither do you as I far as I know, so we can not comment on the optimum shape of the weapon, less when it moves not purely in water but in a kind of a bubble.
     
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    And it shows... When you move in a liquid you have to displace that liquid which weight a lot. Why do you think submarine are slower underwater than cruising on top.
    Yes you can alievate some of the force by creating a gas "bubble" in front of it, but maintaining that "bubble" over long distance and under all condition is problematic as there are also currents underwater.
     
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    It is fairly low level education even if you americans think your so clever.

    Especially if you know that the turning point(stalingrad) was already busy by the time the usa joined the war.
    And long over before the usa did anything.

    lend lease was minimal before stalingrad to, go chek the numbers.
    it started to pick up like a year after the russians where already pushing the germans back on every front.

    Then consider +80% of losses from the german army was against russia in ww2 you see who did the most to defeat the nazi.

    You really cant keep claiming usa saved the day for ever. Fewer and fewer outside the us believe thar.
    Atmost you made sure most of germany didnt end up occupied by russia and helped end the war end sooner(both obviously a good thing).
     
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    Not very wise of Putin to fret money away on useless military toys instead of infastructure
     
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    What you write is just a speculation. Please, bring the formula here that shows that the movement of the torpedo with a certain mass is not possible at speeds of 100 or 150km/h (these are actually the claimed speeds). I do not see the problem of self-sustaining of the bubbles in front of the torpedo due to the cavitation processes at high speeds.
     
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    Yep....it's so low that tons of foreigners, immigrants, visa students come here to ...Learn....every school year.

    Uh yeah...stalingrad was the "turning point" so to speak.....up til then it was catastrophic losses, equipment failures, POWs, desertions, executions of cowardice by NKVD, etc.

    Kursk would've been a defeat for the rooskisr hadnt it been for leaks.....russkis even blared out plans of the attack on bullhorns and still almost lost hadnt the US landed in Sicily, and Hitler called off the offensive.

    Bagration in July 44 was the "big one" that pushed germany back.

    Lend lease and daylight bombing raids played a huge part in Germany's defeat.
     

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