Russia tells White House it will not return Crimea to Ukraine !

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  1. Talon

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    You're not the Serbs.
     
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    has Trump unfriended Putan yet? any nasty tweets?
     
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    Yes, we are not the Serbs. And NATO knows that.
     
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    Well, I think most of people tend to overestimate Russia's role in the US presidential election. It's not Russia's fault the DNC is a bunch of frauds and liers, and Trump is definitely not Russian candidate like those ones try to convince Americans. Trump is American, he's so American that I can't imagine anyone who is more American. As for the US spy networks in Turkey... Russia just used the situation which the US made themselves. Russia didn't ask them to try to overthrow Erdogan, did she?

    I agree with you, actually. Hybrid war is a term the westerners invented to point out Russia is playing "unfair". Look, they launch military drills somewhere in Estonia or Latvia, just 2-3 kilometers from Russian border, and start crying about Russian threat and Russian "hybrid war" in these countries where one third of population are Russians. Ukraine? Half of this country is Russian. Populated by Russians. Russian "hybrid war" in Ukraine will always be successful, and the reason is not RT, FSB, evil Yanukovich etc. This country is half-Russian, but the west prefer to pretend they don't understand that.
     
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    Donald Trump wants to stick to his promises, and one of those promises is that he will better relations with Russia to avoid a war. I believe he will, but he is under pressure right now by the war mongering neo cons.. As for Crimea, he knows it's part of Russia and always will be... and that the Russians had every right to protect the people living there from the Nazis. He says what he has to say so as to have some breathing space from the Soros regime change freaks, who are trying now to do to Washington what they have done everywhere else with catastrophic results.
     
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    Serbia was destroyed because of its traditional relationship and affinity with Russia. Syria was destroyed because of its relationship with Russia. Ukraine was destroyed because most of the people were aligned with Russia. There's a pattern here.
     
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    Does Russia want more territory?
     
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    Well this is disconcerting, as Spicer said Trump expects it to be returned.
     
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    Russia doesn't purchase its goods from elsewhere, quite the contrary. They stopped all goods coming from countries that went along with the sanctions, and it cost the EU dearly. Vladimir Putin used the opportunity given to him with the sanctions, to build up Russia's own agriculture and industries. It's a market the EU will never get back.

    Because of the devalued Ruble Russian exports are highly competitive, so that it is now the largest exporter of wheat in the world... beating out the US and Canada. Other than its high tech industry such as rockets and nuclear plants, and being the second largest producer of arms, it contains 30% of the world's natural resources..
     
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    Are you kidding? It doesn't have enough people to populate what it has. By the way they are giving away free land in Siberia to anyone that will build on it or use it for some purpose. I read that 80% of the British are interested... but I don't believe that.
     
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    what did he promise Putin?
     
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    Don't be ridiculous. Russia no more bargains with its land, than the US does otherwise it would have signed a treaty with Japan by now. So the only thing I can think of is a few free rockets.
     
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    No they don't, they're not stupid. They're saying it to make Germany and a few paranoids happy.
     
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    It's an admission that they really took Crimea,
    and still so hypocrite to admit that their black sea fleet is the reason behind and not really ethnicity.

     
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    How could he promise Putin anything, he doesn't know him. He promised the American people that he will avoid war and better relations with Russia.
     
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    I disagree. They do appear to be stupid.
     
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    Crimea is as important historically to Russia as Boston and Philadelphia is to the US. It is strategic in that it gives Russia an outlet into the Mediterranean which it desperately needs. Crimea is necessary for Russia's security, because missiles on Crimea could hit the Urals and that's where Russia's industries and nuclear capabilities are.

    When Russia gave Ukraine the right to hold a referendum to separate, the people in Crimea wanted the same right so they could stay with Russia. Ukraine unlike Russia wouldn't give that right to them. These people are Russian. They go to school in Russia, marry Russians, and conduct their business' in Russian. I know that non Russians who live in Crimea also conduct their business in Russian, and prefer Russia to Ukraine.

    When the people of Crimea are attacked by the Nazi government of Poroshenko, they are killing Russians... and that is not something Russia takes lightly. To Russia's credit, helping Crimea free itself from the junta in Kiev, did not cost even one human life.
     
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    "rent" has been paid in full...and possession is 9.9tenths of the law...something like crimea.."neh tak"
     
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    Russia will never give up Crimea. They found a HUGE natural gas reserve there and now it belongs to Russia. If Ukraine had it they would be able to supply Europe with it, replacing the Russian market, without the threat of Russia cutting off the gas in the winter due to politics.
     
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    ask the local tatars what thet think about the katsaps...have you ever been there?
     
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    Serbia were " westernized " slavs and basically used the muscovites like a dairy cow...milk it for what its worth while doing all your business in the EU.
     
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    LOL...philosophical and political beliefs...something muscovites truly lack...if their intelligence agents were the best in the world they would have easily foresaw the collapse of the SU....any other tales?
     
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    Before the invasion takes place, the US needs to tie up loose ends. The US to-date has been successful in driving Russia out of the Mediterranean Region by attacking countries where Russia could port naval vessels or place forward operating bases. So far the US has bombed Yugoslavia and broken up the country, effected "Regime Change" in Libya and Tunisia, and is currently attempting to effect "Regime Change" in Syria and Yemen. After that, the US will engage Iran and seek to push its hegemony in Central Asia, before fomenting "revolution" in the eastern Russian republics.
     
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    vlad has eff all to offer at this point.
     

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