Russian Nuclear Engineers Buried By Skyfall Nuclear Blast

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  1. flyboy56

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    Brings back bad memories of how Russia dealt with Chernobyl. A nuclear powered rocket? What the hell is Putin up to?

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...ed-skyfall-nuclear-blast-190813025930755.html

    Local authorities in Severodvinsk, a city of 183,000, had already reported a brief spike in radiation levels after the explosion, but said it did not pose any health hazards.

    That statement from Severodvinsk's administration came just as the defence ministry insisted that no radiation had been released, a claim that drew comparisons to Soviet-era attempts to cover up catastrophes.

    Al Jazeera's Step Vaessen, reporting from Moscow, said more questions were being raised about what exactly happened last Thursday.

    "Only now, five days later, it is becoming known that the radiation levels near the test site had gone up 16 times more than normal. The highest concentration was measured at a local kindergarten," Vaessen said.

    "Authorities have been extremely tightlipped about the accident, which is feeding speculation and conspiracy theories. Many people here remember what happened in 1986 when the Chernobyl accident occurred in neighbouring Ukraine. Of course this is of a very different scale, but the same sort of information blackout happened at that time," Vaessen added.
     
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    Sounds like the american project Pluto...a nuclear powered engine is not safe and its crazy they use this.
     
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    I think even a cursory knowledge of the Chernobyl disaster shows this is absolutely nothing like it.

    2mSv for 30 mins. You get 3 on a plane at 40,000ft, for many hours.

    By contrast, Chernobyl was a reckless flaw, huge toll in lives and property, and a consistent denial by Soviet authorities among widespread knowledge of how bad the situation was.

    This is a chemical leak order event. Barely.

    This is how Russia operates with everything, it is part of a broader debate and a condemndation of their system of government, but it is not Chernobyl.
     
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    It's more about the lying and the cover up of what really took place not to mention it apparently involved nuclear power again.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A nuclear powered engine might be way to get into deep space but maybe they should be building them on the moon instead.
     
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    I can’t think of a design that would work in space - ramjet requires atmosphere, so is turboprop powered by nuclear reactor.
     
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    There's always Project Orion - ol' bang-bang...
     
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    I don’t even consider that as a possibility.
    What sane person would agree to be propelled by a series of nuclear explosions?
     
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    A nuclear pulsejet (which is what Orion would be) or fusion drive (be it reactor or ramscoop fed) is the likely future of interplanetary propulsion.
     
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    I watched a documentary on space travel which talked about using small controlled nuclear explosions that could propel a spacecraft at very high speeds.
     
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    The same type of person who would travel to the moon, land on it and return.
     
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    The world safety was based on the absense of nuclear rockets near the borders which could strike 5 minutes after the launch. Basically this time is the time for reaction and possible strike back which makes a nuclear attack senseless because of mutual destruction. If the time is less than there is the sense ... to strike first. This is why Russia and the USA had mutual agreements for ban of medium and small range rockets. Only dinosaurs made in 60s remained in power. These huge rockets are the doomsday weapon and both sides now that whoever uses them will get the strike back.

    The thing is that after the collapse of the USSR NATO approached the borders of Russia and at the moment in Poland (former USSR-block territory) there is a construction of a rocket launching military base. It can be used for ground version of rockets that are able to carry nuclear weapon. These rockets are smaller faster and deadlier. They give no time for response. This is why Russia had to counter these threats. This is why Putin came up with a monster-sub that remains unseen deep in the water and in case of NOT receiving signal blasts the nuke and half of american continent goes under the radioactive waters. Or a nuclear motivated rocket with an unlimited range and ability to kill the spot containing some of survivals. This is a definite strike back weaponry to counter the new threats.

    The world was as close to nuclear war during carrebean crisis, when USSR placed its rockets of medium range in Cuba. That is as close to Washington as todays rocket base in Poland to Moscow... So the threat is about the same or even worse, because the USSR of 60s was not that 'sanctioned' as Russia is now. At the moment Mr Trump uses this not for the war but for smth like trade negotiations. He naturally tries to bargain a better income using crude force. So far he has some limited success but noone can give a warranty that it would stay the same under the next president or next president. Possibility is an opportunity. And in this case it is quite possible to die. Either for Russia only (which is not what I and my 150 mln countrymates really planned for our lives) or everyone...

    The possible risks to avoid the bitter end? Who cares. Even if it was 10 times worse than it is now it wouldn't be an option to stop the new weaponry from russian side only.
     
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    Why not? Nuclear explosion is a huge energy and impulse which doesn't increase much the existing radiation in space and saves a lot of energy for space travels. Nuclear science has not reached its peak so far. It will come up with lots of inventions and appliances for the future.
     
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    So your saying that having weapons in poland and not West Germany is much more dangerous to the Russians than when thier army and Navy and attack missiles were based much closer to west germany than what they are now. The border of the USSR was a lot closer to west Germany than poland is to Russa
     
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    With all my respect to Germany and our german friend here - Germany is not a subject of nuclear game. Germany and Europe used to be a potential battlefield between the Warsaw pact and NATO in case of nuclear war. The soviets would destroy Europe, get destroyed by nukes, which leaves the US on a spoilt planet without spoils of war. Then it changed and thermonuclear weaponry could threat the US itself.

    In case of war between Russia and the US, Europe will be safe (but for the cities near the bases of NATO forces which is 'the USA'). Poland Baltic countries and several targets over Europe will be in real danger. The big european cities won't. The concept of war is different.

    There is no longer any sense for Russia to attack West Germany. There is all the sense for Russia to retain the possibility of total destruction of the US even in case of successful first strike of theirs. The proximity of borders means not a lot. But the proximity of rockets and reaction time is everything. Do you know why the flights of nuclear strategic bombers get into the news every now and then? Because a nuclear rocket fired from such a bomber would give our wonderful politicians less than a minute to understand everything and find the solutions. So far they didn't manage to perform it in years...
     
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    Poland borders Russia.

    Eastern Poland to Moscow is roughly the same distance as El Paso to Dallas.

    Figure it out.
     
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    There never was any reason for "Russia" to attack West Germany. How are you going to attack bases in Germany with nuclear weapons and not destroy germany. I heard of Smart bombs but these must be genius bombs
     
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    I don't pretend to learn the nuclear war plan in details. Of what I understand from the doctrine of Russia all the NATO bases are regarded as dependant from the US. So in case of war they will get under attack anyway. Who and what will strike - I don't know. Will it hurt germans? Most probably will. Will Germany join the war against Russia (and China)? Don't know. But actually it doesn't change that much for the world if Germany joins it or not. The most things will happen in the beginning and I am not sure what will be the best to die first or to die last. I only had different plans for my life...
     
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    And your plans - they involved the building a nuclear powered rocket? Your premise that it was in response to weapons in poland when there are 18 nuclear powered ballistic missle subs 100s of miles closer to Russia makes no sense.
     
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    Our nuclear subs can be traced and seen. At least it can be reported this way to mr. Trump for him to make a decision. Would you rely life of your loved ones in the hands of mr. Trump and his wonderful generals from Pentagon? I wouldn't. Russians don't. Putin didn't.
    Russia needs the weapon which cannot find even theoretical defense in the US. It doesn't necessarily need to make sense militarily. It needs to make sense for the political clans in charge of the US. Only in this case Russia is safe. As for the world in general - Yes, it became much less safe after this decision. So what? The problems of the world are the problems of the world. The problems of ours are the problems of ours.
     
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    Russia can build all the weapons that they want, I would love to see them bankrupt themselves again like they did in the 80s, in 10-15 years when the reliance on fossil fuels have been abated and they are stuck with trillions of dollars in missiles and a bankrupt economy. Trump is only president for a maximum of 5/6 more years if you base your defense and national budget and priorities on a guy who may not be president in 18 months is pretty stupid. Now the US knows that Putin has no serious replacement so we can long range plan.
     
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    Did Russia and China signed some non-aggression pact?
    If there is a war that has China and Russia as participants, in that war these two won’t be on the same side.
    That Siberia and Far East are just too nice and juicy to ignore.
     
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    Interesting post. The USSR placed nuclear capable missiles on Cuba. The missiles in Poland are defensive in nature and non-nuclear so you can't compare the two.
     
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    At the speed missiles can reach does that difference in distance from East Germany to Russia versus Poland to Russia really make that much of a difference time wise?
     
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    Along your line of thinking, that's what the Russians would be thinking so they see the placement there as blatant aggression, and I see their point. NATO is now into the aggression business, and it's not doing the USA a damn bit of good, because if **** hits the fan, we will be the ones bailing out the leeching EU.
     
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