Ryan Collected $500,000 From Koch After House Passed Tax Law

Look, your posts are more than
a boring regurgitation of error filled nonsense, they are a bore! And tiresome. And I'm finished giving you the attention you so obviously crave The cartoon is a nice touch though I've never claimed otherwise so I wonder what the point is.

You asked for a definition of socialism which I was nice enough to provide, with examples supporting what I say. And you give me this...a repeat of a paste and cut definition (that you never bothered to bolster with your own thoughts. do you have any?). And the cartoon.
What a waste of my time. How pathetic.

Here's a bone to send you on your way:
Perhaps people only think of down and out parasites as welfare cases because everyone can see them in on a daily basis, riding the bus, loitering in the park,
begging for cigarette and beer money on the street corner, etc.

At least a corporation gives me something back for the corporate welfare it receives (which I do not endorse, by the way).
A car, a fancy piece of electronics, some needed medicine, etc.
Now go and **ck off and save your righteous ignorance for someone that cares.

 

Keep trying to convince yourself and of course the internet of this, hello, tells volumes of about one's need to self delude. Try harder but I doubt you will actually feel better creating myths over the net.

 

Suit yourself.

 

You will inevitably.

It's the Trumpster Two Step.

Point out the obvious corruption of the Trump Administation and the GOP and you will never deny it or even try and refute it.

You run right to the distraction every time.

Trump stood aside and let Goldman Sachs and the banking lobby write a tax bill and the GOP passed it.

The "Swamp" dutifully trooped down to Mar A Lago, to pay up. At $100,000 a pop, and doubled hotel rates, Trump collected his payoffs.

They peddled you a nickel dime tax cut which goes away, and paid for it by taking out a loan that goes almost entirely to Wall Street, which you will pay back.

And they did it all in plain sight, right in front of you.

And you were cheering while he saddling you with the bill for the money he borrowed to hand Wall Street their bonuses!

 

The obvious response to your post is that Steyer and Soro are investing in causes they believe in, not buying government to further their business interests.

The Kochs have always beleived in robber baron capitalism. It's their mantra.

And they're delighted to have a wannabe in the White House who curries their favor.

 

Soro's and Styer are funding at levels that dwarf the Koch's, but they are noble, and the Koch's are not.

That's a remarkably weak argument. Not sure why you tried it.

 

The Kochs are ALSO investing in a cause they believe in, making money. What's good for the economy is good for the Kochs. The left's hypocrisy is puddling from the drips.

 

Political corruption is very bipartisan and, as I am sure you know, entirely "legal".

“Politics in modern America has become a lucrative business, an industry that has less to do with policy and a lot more to do with accessing money and favors. … bills and regulations are often introduced not to affect policy change, but as vehicles for shaking down people for … money and favors. Indeed, the motive on both sides often has nothing to do with creating a “correct” policy but instead is often about maximizing profits.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 4.

 

Many good hearted leftists believe they are supporting the enemies of corporate America when they vote for the DP.
They are very naive, but many are catching on now.

"Despite Hillary's penchant for flip-flopping rhetoric, she's spent decades serving the causes of the Wall Street, war, & Walmart economy." AP, Who's Jill Stein? Googlers are asking, and the answer is: Clinton's new problem, Alexander Panetta, 7/13/16.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/who-s-j...the-answer-is-clinton-s-new-problem-1.2985936

 

That is false on its face.

The Kochs have been financing right wing causes for over 50 years. They are in their second generation.

 

Fact.

Soro's, Steyer, and others aligned with them, and through the Democracy Alliance have spent more on campaigns etc., in the last 15 years than the entire amount spent by the Koch family since day one.

There is no comparison.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle-koch-brothers/

Are you aware the NEA, AFSCME, SEIU, along with many other organizations currently sit, or have sat, on the Board of Soro's Democracy Alliance of secretive wealthy Progressives pushing their agenda?

 

Fact.

The Koch family has been investing heavily in far right wing politics for over fifty years. They were the founders and principal backes of the John Birch Society. (Tom Steyer was three years old).

They were also principal financiers of the astroturf tea party movement, particularly through their front group Americans for Prosperity.

The Kochs publicly boasted taht they were prepared to spend nearly a billion dollars on GOP candidates in the 2016 cycle.

BTW, if you want to know what the Open Society Institute is up to, you can visit their website.

If you want to know what the Kochs are up to.......... from your own link.

" Because we don’t know how much money the Kochs are providing, it’s virtually impossible to compare them with Soros or anyone else. A list of top contributors is here — but again, the list doesn’t include the Kochs because many of their checks are written to groups that don’t have to tell us where their funds are coming from."

 

Fact

The same point hold true with Soro's, Steyer, et all. They invest in organizations that don't have to report who or where the money comes from.

How much has the Ford Foundation invested? The Knight Foundation? Tides Foundation? Annenberg Trust? Pew Charitable Trust?

http://freebeacon.com/politics/democracy-alliance-spending-far-higher-than-reported/

The Koch Brothers are bit players compared to the sums spent by Soro's and his affiliated partners.

Fact, Soro's just turned over $18 billion to his Open Society Foundation to be spent pushing their Progressive Agenda.

https://www.americanewshub.com/2017...-nonprofit-network-advances-left-wing-agenda/

Have the Koch Brothers even approached that level of investment in 50 years?

 

The "Evil" Open Society Foudation:

How does Soros directly profit from giving this organization $18,000,000,000?

 

The Open Society Foundation is an evil organization. Why would some countries ban it if it weren't?

Open Society has been pushing a Progressive agenda and is playing a role in diluting national sovereignty in Europe through it's aggressive Migration initiatives.

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about/programs/international-migration-initiative

Now, if someone believes in a One World Government, run by elites who have no connection or responsibility to anyone they control, I can see where Soro's OSF is a great thing.

For those who support freedom and opportunity, OSF is a dangerous major player in the One World Government/Progressive objective.

 

First of all, claims in obscure right wing blogs tend to be dubious at best. Particularly when their sources are trash blogs like Daily Baller, and the Moonie Times!

Second, as I have already pointed out, George Soros does not hide where he puts his money, Both the Tides Foundation and the Open Society Foundation post their sources and uses of funds on their websites.

The Annenberg Trust, the Ford Foundation, and the Pew Charitable trust also post their sources and uses of funds.

Contrary to your false claim, they do not hide.

The Kochs never have, and never will.

The Kochs have spent billions over forty years. Their foundations have their fingerprints in virtually every single major right wing group, and several are fronts for Koch interests.

All this used to be well documented. Then came "Citizen's United".

After that, the Kochs, who had always sought to hide their activities whenever possible, and prefer to operate through front groups, went completely underground.

Why do you think Republicans work so hard to preserve tax tricks that allow secret unlimited campaign contributions to campaigns in the form of donations to "social welfare" groups????

As your own link stated clearly, you cannot support your claim that the Koch are bit players with any documentable fact.

Their past history, over a much longer arc than George Soros' entire career, is well documented.

 

Why don't you prove the Koch's have given billions over 50 years.

Thank you

As to transparency, you are grossly wrong.

Why is Soro's Democracy Alliance described by everyone as a secretive group?

 

The countries who ban the Open Society Foundation are the usually dicators and don't want open societies.

Countries like Russia and China.

There was a claim that Austria banned Soros as well. This was source back to a right wing trash clickbait blog called YourNewsWire. The story was false. But that didn't keep it from rocketing around the right wing blog sewer, where facts are optional and often inconvenient.

 

"Everyone"? I guess you really do live in the right wing echo chamber! That claim is unique to teh trash blogs you cite.

As for Koch

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html

"From 1997 to 2014, the Kochs funneled over $88 million to 80 organizations that advance the Kochs' attacks on climate change science while presenting themselves as experts."

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/front-groups/

https://www.desmogblog.com/2016/06/...d-out-21m-front-groups-defending-exxon-nyt-ad

"
reedom Partners is structured as a chamber of commerce and is composed of around 200 members, each paying a minimum US$100,000 in annual dues. In 2012, the organization raised $256 million.[5]

The organization is partially funded by the Koch brothers,[4] although it operates independently of Koch Industries.[6] A majority of Freedom Partners board is made up of long-time employees of the Koch brothers.[7][8][9]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Partners

"Charles and David Koch have been involved in, and have provided funding to, a number of other think tanks and public policy organizations: They provided the initial funding for the Cato Institute, they are key donors to the Federalist Society,[59] and they also support, or are members of, the Mercatus Center,[60] the Institute for Humane Studies,[60] the Institute for Justice,[61] the Institute for Energy Research,[62] the Heritage Foundation,[63] the Manhattan Institute,[63] the Reason Foundation,[60] the George C. Marshall Institute,[64] the American Enterprise Institute,[64] and the Fraser Institute.[65][66] As of 2015, David Koch sits on the board of directors of the Cato Institute,[67] the Reason Foundation and the Aspen Institute.[68] A 2013 study by the Center for Responsive Politics said that nonprofit groups backed by a donor network organized by Charles and David Koch raised more than $400 million in the 2011–2012 election cycle.[62]"

There's plenty more. This is just a sampler.

 

I have no clue what you are referring to regarding Austria. But thanks for the strawman.

Back to the point. The fact is, Soro's attempts to fuel subversive efforts to overthrow governments in order to create a "democracy" defined by his objectives. Who made him Ruler?

It's very difficult to follow any kind of "investment/contribution" made by Tides, Ford, Annennberg, Knight, etc.. I know, because I have been following them for years.

If what Soro's is doing is so out in the open, why is his Democracy Alliance always referred to as "secretive"?

http://freebeacon.com/politics/wash...al-donor-meeting-without-notifying-superiors/

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/democrats-democracy-alliance-liberal-donors-105972

https://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7274819/democracy-alliance

 

So you've just demonstrated the Koch Brothers have not given billions over 50 years.

Soro's just gave $18 billion to push his Progressive Agenda. That doesn't include the $100's of millions his partners have given over the last 5 years alone.

You're not making you case very well.

 

I was stating a fact. It was not a straw man. You may want to familiarize yourself with the definition of a strawman argument so you'll use the term correctly next time.

I know of no efforts by George Soros to overthrow governments. And, when did promoting democracy become an evil thing?

As I said, if you want to know what the Open Society institute is doing, all you have to do is look at their website.

As for Democracy Alliance, I can't say. But if they are secretive, it may have something to do with imitating their conservative rivals at a game they've been playing for decades.

 

Actually, if you didn't see a billion dollars worth of Koch spending, it's because you can't add.

Besides, Soro's spending is global, while Koch is only interested in bending the US government to its will.

 

I look at OSF regularly to see what Soro's is up to.

Democracy? You mean, Soro's version of democracy under his globalist agenda.

You may support that, and that's fine. I don't, so don't assume I'm going to embrace his agenda.

For your information, the Koch Brothers don't hold secretive meetings. All their meetings, from what I have been able to learn, are announced, and the press is invited to attend.

https://americansforprosperity.org/events/

 

You wrote billions, with an S.