SA to get world's biggest lithium ion battery in 'historic' deal with Elon Musk

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  1. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Is Jay Wetherill the bees knees or what? Tony Abbott will be scuppered by this. 100 megawatt storage will take out the peaks and troughs. Thoughts?
     
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    Somehow I doubt the actual energy economics were considered, in comparison to other options.

    It's usually not very practical to store electrical power supply energy in batteries. It is far easier to transport the energy than to attempt to temporarily store it. And lead acid is usually much more practical and lower cost than lithium for fixed structure electric storage.

    I haven't read all the details, but it sounds like this could have been a huge waste of money on a whimsical renewable fantasy.

    More practical strategies, though less appealing to the ideological purist, involve having a back-up natural gas power plant to supply the energy when the wind turbines are not working or the sun is not shining to power the solar panels. Another strategy has been to start releasing water from dams to power hydroelectric turbines when no other renewable power source is available. The water building up in the reservoir acts like a store of energy. Combining some of these strategies, you might only have the natural gas plant running 5 percent of the time.

    But that's not enough for these ideological pure clean energy crazies, who have to waste huge amounts of rate payer money on impractical energy storage schemes.

    I'm talking about a 100 million clean energy project turning into a 400 million clean energy project, all because some politicians don't want to burn a little bit of gas. Those batteries are expensive. And they need continual reservicing and replacement every few years.
     
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    Jay Wetherill is the Premier of a very dry state. Last summer, the coal electricity supply failed when a big storm took out the HT transmission lines from the adjoining state. The wind turbines were unavailable because of the very high wind speed and the state was blacked out.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-28/sa-power-outage-explainer/7886090
    Elon Musk said he could give them adequate battery storage for their renewable supplies and it would be free if he could get it up and running within 100 days.
     
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    If it works super fine and drops energy costs it is a massive win. Big coal will be nervously anxious you'd think. Certainly a big win for wetherill!
     
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    I'll be watching for the colour of the electricity to change....new fangled stuff :)

    I used to work at Andamooka opal fields back in the 1970s. There was no power there, we all had generators. At dusk you could hear all the generators starting up in town. Ah nostalgia!
     
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    At the time when Elon Musk proposed this deal I was surprised no one jumped at it. Good to see this deal go ahead, it would be not be in the best interest of South Australians to turn him down.
     
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    And they get it free if not completed in 3 months from contact sisgning.

    Imagine the fire ball when that Lithium facility does its' Lithium battery thing.
     
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    I'm sure the engineers will build it properly and not let the batteries overheat.
     
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    yes besides... fireball is much better than nuclear fallout
     
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    I was just thinking big banana, big prawn, big battery.
     
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    Apparently he finished it, just in time for summer.. we've had some really hot days here in Melbourne... very unusual for it to be so early

    Elon Musk's giant lithium ion battery completed by Tesla in SA's Mid North



    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-...ul-lithium-ion-battery-finished-in-sa/9183868
     
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    I am highly skeptical of Tesla because they have a history (Musk in particular) of making wild claims then completely and utterly failing to meet them, and getting through off the backs of government subsidies.

    If it works out and they aren't full of it this time the all the better for SA.
     
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    Jay wetherill puts his(the states) money where his mouth is. I like young Elon because, heavens above, who else would start his own space travel company.
    Is he a visionary or just lucky?
     
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    Battery is in and up
     
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    He is 4.5 billion in free government money lucky.

    And very intelligent. Unfortunately, the very intelligent can often get ahead of themselves and consistently over promise, as Musk has done with Tesla. They constantly miss their production targets and are criminally overvalued on the stock market. I am shorting the **** out of them and think I'll do alright in the medium term.
     
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    Hope you do.
     

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