Salt Lake City - Police shot 13 year old with autism

No, Frank Castle is fantasy, people have restraint in real life (incredibly so), he is wish fulfilment.

 

Yes, mentally ill people are an incredible threat, if this guy was such a danger they are justified in shooting him. You DON'T KNOW the circumstances but you seek to condemn these officers, WHY?

You could have killed this kid (and you haven't answered my question, how did you know he was a Nazi exactly?). Therefore you deserve to go to prison for life for murder. "Oh but I was just trying to help" you'd snivel. Just like these officers were. Police do these sort of things all the time, only one in a million turn out like this.

Yes, everyone's default position is that the police are always right unless there is clear and unambiguous evidence to the contrary. You don't know what happened, you're jumping to conclusions which makes you an ungrateful hypocrite.

Come on, just admit you were wrong, wait until you know the facts of the case before jumping to conclusions and condemning these heroes who were just trying to do their duty in arduous circumstances.

 

Sure, send the poor paramedics in to subdue this maniac.... You call the police because there is no alternative. In this case there was no alternative, they needed force. These guys weren't trigger happy, they did the right thing and you know it.

1. Learn to spell!
2. Learn to structure your sentences properly.

 

Sure, that explains the latter part, but it doesn't explain why you labeled him "unarmed". He may have been, and he may not have been, but by your choosing to insert that adjective without knowing one way or the other, it makes you look dishonest.

 

Look out your window. What do you see? Do you see murder and mayhem. If not, take a deep breath, exhale and be grateful. If you do see murder and mayhem outside your window, you can forget about far away Salt Lake City and address that which is near to you. But to cast about and gather others burdens and cry for help/justice, is to take distant news to a whole new level, akin to looking at a river and thinking to drink the whole thing. Calm down. It's just news. It's local to itself. Have you no goals, labors, responsibilities and hobbies of your own? Life is filled with miracles of which to rejoice. And it is an immeasurable mercy that any of us live to behold it. Sometimes it is enough to state your peace/opinion and be done with it....and leave the stewing to the cook.

 

It's not a pizza, you don't get to order the gov to take care of your own responsibilities.A childs behavioral issues are not the state's problem, and they never will be. If she had an emergency should should take HER child to a hospital.

 

Ok we have an update

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-City-cops-experience-lifelong-injuries.html

It looks like the unarmed child has life changing injuries because Mum responsibly phoned for the 'crises internvention team' when needed.

Their certainly was a claim he had a gun when he was first riddled with bullets but the Sergent very quickly said no gun had been found at the scene. If that boy was armed I strongly doubt that would not have been made known by now.

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bullshit, she should have taken responsibility for her own child. Personal responsibility is a thing, we're not employing a bunch of nannies to run around bringing teddy bears and cocoa to spastic loons.

 

World Socialist certainly does not hold back on how it sees things. The people who are supporting the shooting of this kid, saying he shouldn't have gone there or that the police would never have riddled his body with bullets which will cause him life changing injuries had he not been so strong that two policemen could not do anything but shoot him multiple times or other imaginings, thankfully are the minority.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/10/salt-s10.html

It looks higly unlikely there was any justification for this. I was reading how one of the people in charge was talking about it and he was going on about what a terrible tragedy it was and how they were so sorry this had happened. It didn't come over as the kind of talk if they were looking into two police acting in self defence against the 13 year old unarmed lad. There may have been real Police outrage. If it was not that, it does seem that this is simply making clear that the Police do not have the expertise and possibly the temperament, going my our Police on this thread, to be involved with such vulnerable people. The best justice would be to defund the Police for this and give that money to people who have the expertise and do not believe he deserved to be riddled with bullets because he has Aspergers and his Mother called for services she was advised to if need be or harsh violence needed to be used on him 'because mental health people can't feel'

 

We need police, and frankly, in most cities they are underfunded.

But we also need robust social services, and what we have currently is hideously bad.

This sort of thing is a good example of why we need people out there trained to help, and have the requisite skills to do just that.

 

My suggestion is only that the money for this kind of work be defunded from the police and refunded to people who will do the job.

I am really surprised about your police been underfunded. How on earth do they manage all the military gear they have. That must cost a bob or two.

Absolutely. I'm not sure why you have a problem with it being removed from people without the proper training to even be able to understand what the person is up to - as in the case with someone on the Autism spectrum who experiences things in a different way to most people and give that money to those with the expertise to do the job properly. That is what I understand 'defunding' the police to be about. In particular spending it on things which will help people avoid the road to prison, the possibility of work being one, needed social or community help another.

Do you not think it would be better if your police 'demilitarised'?

 

That military gear was given to them.

Police need more and better training, and it should be a regular part of their career, refresher courses. With better pay, we could get better people...

Absolutely, we should sell off most of that crap.

 

If he was just a "small child" and not a threat, why did she call the police?? Why didn't she just haul him into the car herself? The police are not, AND SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED TO BE, mental health experts.

 

Yes I pretty much agree with that but then you have the extra that you have gone up from about 350,000 people in jail at the beginning of the 80's to more than 2.4 million today. This has made you become the country which incarcerates the most people per capita in the world!! There is a saying if you want to know how just a country is look at the severity of their punishments. Given that you have more people in the world in prison than anyone else, this suggests the US is moving the wrong way and then there is the problem that once they get there and do their unbelievable long sentences it has been made almost impossible for them to get back into society. Sometimes they owe money for their jail stay which very few of them have. Then they can get no social security, not even food stamps, are not eligible for housing and can't get a job because of their prison record. While I definately think the things you suggest are good ideas, I also think it is more than likely that a lot more police were taken on to put all these people in jail - and of course they agree rotas with the Private Jails - must have this many people in jail per week. So Jail has become big business and one in which the police are expected to deliver their numners which clearly encourages the police planting evidence to get these numbers.


So the 'Defund the Police' would also be thinking about 'defund the idea that having millions of Americans in jail is a good idea' and so work to create a society where people can find a more constructive and enjoyable way through life. Get away from the big thing about tough on crime. Put in jail people who really need to be there and at the same time put work in to keep people out of jail where possibile by helping them with difficulties and offering them the possibility of a job - that one is already very difficult in places like Chicago which put more people in jail.

I found out the other day that you have this crazy thing where people in jail act as firefighters risking their lives - both men and women but when they come out of Prison they are forbidden to join the fire service. The system has developed a very strange attitude.

So I definately think defunding the police is a good thing and get that money into other things which will keep people out of jail while I also believe that a well trained and well paid smaller police force would go well with that.

 

Just ask Ted Bundy
What happens when you take on perverse Fantasies as simple "wish fulfillment".

YES "Frank Castle" is just a fantasy - A terribly Sick and Psychotic fantasy. - And
when such aberrant Fantasy becomes - YOUR role model, - YOUR mascot, - YOUR motto -
Then THIS Fantasy, - THIS "wish fulfillment" - THIS Symbol is soon found pasted on
to YOUR cars, tattooed on to YOUR arms, and Seared into YOUR Moral Character,
...................................................................................................................................................................... or lack thereof.


And if YOU carry a Badge & Gun, and YOU have been Brainwashed and Indoctrinated by
Psycho POS Dave Grosman, into the SheepDog Warrior Ethos. Then YOU have been
trained to treat EVERY engagement as a Life & Death confrontation against a lesser form
of Human Being, (the dangerous,duplicitous and potentially rabid SHEEPLE.)

A Morally & Spiritually inferior creature that YOU are supposedly purposed & designed
to serve & protect, but who does not belong to YOUR Punisher oriented Badge & Gun
Club. - And so is to be treated as a lesser species to be Herd'd and Controlled by YOU,



God's "wish fulfilled" gift to the American Sheeple - - The "Frank Castle" styled
.............................................................................................................................................. SheepDog Warrior Cop
........ . ..

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This is the Undeniable Mind Set being instilled into America'a Law Enforcement Agencies
And with their Overt Militarization, it is Undeniably designed to bring into Cold Hard Reality
a thoroughly Brainwashed and resolute Enforcement Arm to a Tyrannical Police State.
Able to withstand the legitimate protests and complaints of "the great unwashed", who may
take offence to their impoverishment, and at the Wars engendered, the Economy ruined,
and their Society divided, to further the Oligarchies plan to advance their GLOBALIZATION
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The Police Trainer Who Teaches Cops to Kill



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Marvel’s “Punisher”
Was a Hate Symbol Long Before Police Co-opted His Character

https://truthout.org/articles/marve...ol-long-before-police-co-opted-his-character/
SO - Reasonablerob says : "people have restraint in real life" (

From The Article: full article recommended
On October 4, 2004 ‒ nine months after the premiere of Punisher MAX ‒ Frank Jude Jr.
was beaten by off-duty officers in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, while trying to leave a party.
The officers responsible, it was later discovered, were part of a group within the Milwaukee
Police Department called “The Punishers.” The Punishers would don gloves and caps
embossed with Frank Castle’s skull symbol before going on patrol in the city’s predominantly
Black neighborhood, where they engaged in “vigilante-style activity.”
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In December 2014, a group of current and former police officers created “Blue Lives Matter.”
The private media company had the explicit goal of pushing back against the then-nascent
Black Lives Matter movement. They lost no time in making Frank Castle the mascot for
their official Facebook page, and promoting the now-ubiquitous “Thin Blue Line Punisher.”
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Those who use the symbol to condone brutality do so not despite its meaning, but because
of it. There is nothing left to reclaim in Frank Castle. The Punisher skull is a hate symbol, and
has been for some time. It’s time we treated it like one
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Milwaukee Police Looked Into ‘Punishers’ Group
http://archive.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/112982324.html/

Capt. James Galezewski examined what his report calls a "gang," first in 2005 and again in
2007. The police academy supervisor concluded both times the Punishers represented a danger
that warranted further investigation and action by the department, according to documents
newly unsealed in Jude's federal civil rights lawsuit against the city.
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"This is a group of rogue officers within our agency who I would characterize as brutal and
abusive," Galezewski wrote in a December 2007 report.
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"At least some of the officers involved in the Jude case were associated with this group, although
there is reason to believe the membership extended beyond those who were convicted in the case

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That's not going to work in the US, we already do not have enough LEO's and too many idiots who think the law doesn't apply to them. Floyd, Blake, Brooks, Brown...

 

Then who exactly are- "the many idiots who know the law doesn't apply to them"
They are those who actually have "Qualified Immunity" from the Law and can therefore
"Act Above the Law" with Impunity - and who at the same time also have a License to Kill
................................................................. at will anybody who they say, made them "Fear for their Life"

 

Blah, blah, blah.

Our Justice system needs reform from top to bottom, it's a sickening mess. But don't call it defunding the police if you ever want to see it happen.

That was the result of a marriage made in hell. Convicting people and throwing them in jail is classic Jim Crow. It also works nicely helping the Right with minority rule. Don't know how closely you pay attention, but there's been fighting in Florida about giving prisoners the ability to vote after they get out. Incredibly sleazy, but that's America in a nuts-hell.

Here in Maine prisoners can vote while in jail. Why the F not.

 

We still don't know the circumstances, we still haven't heard the police side of the story. Let's wait for the facts.

 

Good, glad there are people like me in the world.

 

You should try it. I have been going by known information. You and one or two others have been the ones creating misinformation. Also you may not have noticed but this is a debate forum and someone started a thread on it. If you do not want to say anything until you hear the final result then that is your choice to make. However while you come on making imaginations and saying ill of the boy who now has lifelong damage when there is zero information he did anything wrong and pretty much everything points the other way, people will keep up with the thread if they so wish.

 

DEBATE, not SPECULATION when the facts are still unknown. And not the vitriol against these poor officers who were only trying to help and had this dreadful situation forced upon them. Let's wait until we actually know what happened before condemning them shall we?

 

You are the person speculating. Others are using known facts of which there are several. You however are making things up including the most gross that you have to be more violent with people with mental illness as they can't feel. If you do not want this thread then get off it. Do not expect another reply from me.

 

Look here is my final word on this. Tell the moderators why this thread should not be here or stop flamebaiting , demadning people do not make posts on it - and that is all the more given some of your more henious posts...

 

Convicting people of crimes and failing them has nothing to do with Crow laws, that's just justice. And no, you should not get your right to vote back after you're released from prison.