Sanders announces $1.5 trillion universal child care plan

Sounds like Star Trek.

 

You currently get access to healthcare and child care for that amount of taxation, right? Any other services included there?

 

...what?

 

And a unicorn in every garage!

It is all smoke and mirrors. Study history. All murderous communist regimes promised a better way of life.....before they started murdering their own citizens.

 

So how many 'others like me' out of 327 million would that be? So if 4% of anything above $29,000 saves you $10,000, your income is around $275,000? Have you considered a different health plan?

 

Congratulations, this is one of the single silliest posts ever made on this forum. This crap is the absolute poster boy for what would be wrong with America if Sanders ever got into a position of power.
I will solemnly pray for the recovery of people who think like this.

 

From the link:
"For those kids who are in Quebec’s public programs, known as centres de la petite enfance (CPEs), “repeated studies have found sharp improvements in child development,” Fortin said. This accounts for about one-third of Quebec’s children in care right now.

Those benefits vary dramatically if a child is in a for-profit center, a problem that has existed since the beginning of the Quebec scheme. Currently, the government doesn’t have standards of care for private partners."

I suppose if we must have it, people shove Bernie down our throats, might want to address that. 1/3 and the rest don't have standards of care. Hate to be picky.

 

So in this Socialist Utopia who grows packages and delivers you the food?
Who builds the hospitals , makes the medicine,does the actual work of Doctors, nurses, admin etc etc etc. Who is spending years of their lives getting the education to do the above?
Who builds the houses, who works on said houses ( plumbing, electrical etc etc) who cuts down the lumber for said houses, Who makes the wiring and plumbing for said houses?

Thanks for exposing yourself btw... its damn funny Socialists are all about the "workers" but in the end they just want free **** and have someone else do the work for them...

 

I am saying it is bad for society as a whole to demand that every person be solely responsible for their own actions when those actions have a broader impact on society and when it is nearly impossible to place all of the blame for said action on that single individual.

It is known as the Tragedy of the Commons. Consider the hypothetical where you own a farm, and you - alongside your 10 neighboring farmers - draw your water from a singular pond. You also - alongside your 10 neighboring farmers - pollute that pond by a small amount. Individually, you only contribute and take away a small amount from the pond. But collectively, you are draining and polluting that pond at a rate that will eventually be detrimental to all of you. It is in your best interest to reach an agreement with the others to also pool your resources and care for that pond.

The same is true of children birthed by women who are unable to afford said children. Those children still require resources and those resources will be provided by the society or the child will die. And if you don't want the child to die, then it makes sense to approach the community driven resource allocation from a position that logically benefits everyone. Providing access to affordable childcare is one method that logically benefits everyone because the parents are also then free to work and thereby create a net revenue stream for society.

 

So who would be paying for the food, healthcare and housing, if people choose not to work, and therefore are not paying taxes as the program currently stands?

 

People who want to perform those jobs with AI robots handling the rest. That's why it is called an ideal world.

 

I'm talking about a situation where you don't need to work in order to obtain basic necessities like food, healthcare, and housing. People will still want to work because they just enjoy working or because they want a life where they are able to obtain more than the basic necessities.

 

Your math is...just wrong.

Assume that your annual premiums currently cost about 12,000$. The breakeven point, i.e. where you would pay more money under Bernie's plan compared to the current 12k/year in premiums, is around 275,000$ in annual salary.

I don't know how many people have healthcare premiums that are around 12k a year and I don't know how many earn roughly 275k/year.

 

So Trump cuts taxes, that don't provide growth as expected, and that leads to trillion-dollar deficits per year and that's ok, meanwhile, Bernie offers child care that will cost $1.5 trillion dollars over 10 years and that's unaffordable. Yeah, right!

As far as taking children from parents, well, as one former one myself (a kid), some kids are rearing to go to school that they aren't ready for yet. So, yeah, kids want to go to school because it's cool. So, provide a place where they can go to learn to tie their own shoelaces and stuff in the early years. And guide them into school at their own level after that, when they're ready.

Meanwhile, Mom and Dad can both work to try and keep ahead of the (ever more expensive) bills to get to the American dream. And also earn that $5 million dollars they need to retire.

 

Why is it preferable to live in a society where a majority of the population must work in order to afford basic necessities? If there is a way to ensure that everyone has access to basic necessities without requiring that they perform an undesirable job, why isn't that a good thing?

 

Why would anyone want to work if it was all free ?

Who programs said robots? Who designs said robots? Who delivers said robots? Who Builds said robots?

Just admit it what you describe is a world where you dont have to work but a said underclass will for you... But who cares right i mean you wont have to work while you can proclaim you are for the "workers".

You want to return to nobility and serfs.. Such "Progress"

 

Hard pass on that logic.

The only thing that is free are the basic necessities. People will still want to work in order to afford more than a life of the basic necessities.

 

Yes he cut taxes and has record revenues.. To bad we have record spending eh? So the answer to that is "Free" Education, Healthcare, Daycare ( what am i forgetting)....
But dont worry the .01% is going to magically pay for it all.

You didnt teach your kid to tie their own shoes?

Where the **** do you live where you need 5 million to retire?

 

Where has this even come close to working?

 

From the other link, sorry, "The government will set 'quality standards' under the plan."

 

Sure a spending problem, lol.

I meant I was the kid who wanted to go to school a year early.

Suze Orman says you need $5 million to retire.

 

A mind numbing, soul killing, spiritless thought. Humans don't do idle comfort well.

 

Take a ride around any depressed area and see all the Pay day type loan centers, you will see the homeless and other poor congregating around them.

When the FED testified during the Obama administration in regard to the "credit crunch," in FED speak they said that banks relied upon irresponsible debt to subsidize small business loans.

Then came the bending over backward of banks and DEMOCRATS, to undo the CARD act:

End of slavery:
“The Federal Reserve's rule told credit card companies that they no longer can consider household income when assessing the creditworthiness of an individual who applies for his or her own card. Under the rule, only an individual's own salary or other income -- rather than combined household income -- can be considered.”
Read more: http://www.creditcards.com/credit-c...cards-household-income-1282.php#ixzz3WiwAm9JK

Slavery reinstituted:
“U.S. Reps. Carolyn Maloney, D-NY, and Louise Slaughter, D-NY, both among the principal authors of the CARD Act, said the rule ‘goes beyond the intent’ of the law and ‘represents a serious risk for women in abusive domestic partnerships.’"
Read more: http://www.creditcards.com/credit-c...cards-household-income-1282.php#ixzz3Wivmh5r8

Having seen public housing from DEMOCRATS, and at the same time Zoning laws from DEMOCRATS to force people to build bigger, and at the same time DEMOCRATS bending over backward to continue irresponsible debts, I wonder if a democrat could ever put things together to provide a basic necessity without creating a slum and at the same time kicking rungs out of a ladder.

 

Yes when you spend more then you bring in by a Trillion or about that a year yes spending is the issue.

Good for her?

 

No where as far as I know, but to be fair, the ideal system does depend on technology (AI robots capable of making deliveries) which is currently not in existence.