Sarah Silverman as Hitler: Trump Comparisons 'Bum Me Out'

I never said such a thing.

I happen to think the Nazi persecution of Jews during WW2 was wrong.

However, I think some Pogroms which happened to Jews were bought on themselves by their general disloyalty they had to many nations they resided in.

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You specifically argued that it was not a matter of Ukrainians being victimized for being Ukrainian, but a matter of Ukrainians being where the grain was to steal.

 

I once took a class about the Holocaust at UT, and one of the books we were required to read was about the death squads that roamed eastern Europe prior to the establishment of death camps. The book mentioned, on numerous occasions, how the Polish were often eager participants in the persecution of Jews and made no mention of any suffering the Poles might have encountered--only the Jews in the narrative were of any consequence.

To be fair, every group elevates its own importance over other groups, so this is to be expected. The Chinese feel like they are often ignored, after what they went through at the hands of the Japanese, and I'm sure they couldn't care less about the history of the Jews in Europe.

Everyone looks out for themselves, and tribalism dies hard. This is why the pursuit of diversity for diversity's sake is such an asinine idea. What's more, if your goal is to accommodate it as much as possible, it is best to NOT talk about the various atrocities committed against specific groups. It should be enough to emphasize that people were killed, when covering any particular historical incident. The tribalistic-victimization narrative needs to die a quick death. We are either trying to all work together as equals or we need to abandon the project and go back to hating each other. You cannot both emphasize the various woes suffered by different groups and then expect to band others to your cause, but people are far too stupid to realize that, so we continue acting like the children we are.

 

which is why many other nationalities suffered from the graint shortages and famines of the 1920s in the USSR,

it was economic genocide, not neccessarily ethnic based.

you have no evidence that Ukrainians, the ethnic group, were specifically targeted for extermination and non-Ukrainians were given food instead.

 

It just goes to show the biased indoctrination into the masses.

It's truly a brainwashing that rivals that the Nazis, and Soviets had.

Yes, diversity is divisive it ultimately leads to chaos.

 

Encyclopædia Britannica estimates that 6 to 8 million people died from hunger in the Soviet Union during this period, of whom 4 to 5 million were Ukrainians

Robert Conquest estimated at least 7 million peasants' deaths from hunger in the European part of the Soviet Union in 1932–33 (5 million in Ukraine, 1 million in the North Caucasus, and 1 million elsewhere), and an additional 1 million deaths from hunger as a result of collectivization in Kazakhstan

In 2008 Russian state Duma issued a statement about the famine, stating that within territories of Povolzhe, Central Black Earth Region Northern Caucasus, Ural, Crimea, Western Siberia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belaruss the estimated death toll is about 7 million people



...if the Holodomor was truly an ethnic genocide, then that means the USSR also committed genocide against Jews, Belarussions, Russians, Caucus peoples, Crimean Tatars, and Siberians.

that's quite a genocide, and of course there is no documentation calling for the extermination of these peoples by starvation.

 

You "happen" to think that huh? How big of you.

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However, I think some Pogroms which happened to Jews were bought on themselves by their general disloyalty they had to many nations they resided in.

You just said all that needs to be said...

Go back under your rock now.

 

he even posted a letter from a Polish bigot in the 1920s who accused the Jews of being dishonest, disloyal backstabbers who lied about the pogroms and deserved nothing but perpetual contempt

 

The brainwashing in the United States is broader and more sophisticated than anything else seen in the world, at any period. The people in this country are not only not aware, but they think they've penetrated it, only to actually fall into yet another brand of lies. Anyone who identities as either liberal or conservative, strongly, is thoroughly brainwashed. Reality does not, in any way shape or form, conform to either liberal or conservative orthodoxy. These are pure creations meant to link disparate groups of peasants into voting blocks to increase the power of those smarter than the masses.

I learned a lot about how real leaders and thinkers operate by studying their history of action and thought. If you read the auto-biographies of powerful men, particularly in periods before political participation was the norm, you will find that most of it is very Machiavellian. People who actually control the world do not frame issues or problems in terms of moral appeals, but focus on the distribution of power. Laws, rules, and relationships are all determined by power relations and how to achieve it. Over time, I have come to accept that this is the true nature of things and is how I view the world. Basically, I am a peasant with the philosophy of a lord lol.

 

There is a difference. Trump hasn't exterminated anyone or set up any concentration camps. That I know of anyway. Come to think of it, I really can't remember a Republican presidential candidate that at sometime or another wasn't referred to as Hitler by the opposite party. IKE is the exception.

I don't think Trump has tried to conquer the world yet either. Although in business he may be trying. But not militarily. I think all these comparisons are asinine. No more than political hysteric rhetoric. I realize both sides do it, but to me it is dumb and unbecoming. I don't like Trump one bit, but this is way overblown.

Okay, Trump deals in real estate, but he buys and sells it. Hitler tried to conquer his real estate and the people in it. But that is probably where the comparison ends.

 

I don't even know about this letter, but have you ever considered that he might have had a point? Have you ever considered that racism, which is an expression of tribalism, can be displayed by everyone? People who strongly identify as belonging to tribes DO tend to put the interests of their group over others. This applies to all humans, and it is a fundamental aspect of human psychology. Jews are not immune to racism or tribalism and, in fact, their tight solidarity over the centuries would confirm rather than deny their tendency toward tribalism. No group could have survived under such conditions without considering themselves as separate from others.

Your automatic assumption is that anyone making an accusation of tribalism is automatically racist and has zero credibility when making an argument. You should take a deep breath and think about that for a bit.

 

justifying the mass-murder, exile, torture, mass-rape, persecution, and discrimination is something I will not accept.

neither should you

 

Ummm, did I do that? Had I been in charge, I would have confronted the issue openly and resolved it in that manner. If I found that some groups were engaged in deleterious tribalism I would have tried to stop it. My goal would have been to either prevent distinct nationalities from forming within one geographic location in the first place or, if that didn't work, I would attempt to destroy the the various subcultures and unite them under one broad umbrella )I don't mean killing). Do you not see that AA is exactly one such attempt? AA was a corrective measure to reduce the effects of white tribalism. I'm saying I approve or disapprove of it, but that it is what it is. Similarly, other groups are capable of it. The best way to combat tribalism, unfortunately, is to wipe out old concepts of identity and unite them under a new cause.

 

If someone can explain to me the Last Politician who made faces and
gesticulated to the degree Trump does.Hitler made a point of using his face
and his arms { gesticulating } as a way of emphasizing his point.
I can't think of anyone short of Maybe Huey Long that used such exaggerated
gesticulations.I find it Unamerican.However it do work wonders for Hitler.

 

So then when this Trump Fraud ... traipses around Insisting he'll create millions of
Jobs ... Cite for me his Companies and were they produce his goods.
Like who made Trump Ties.?
Who made Trump Vodka.
It was marked as a Super Premium Vodka.But they really couldn't find a
Distiller.They had that Fancy Ad Campaign and Fancy expensive bottle.
But no connoisseur of Vodka was willing to vouch for it.
The slogan " epitome of vodka " was just dopey.Like The Donald hisself.
The Vodka went out of production because of a failure to meet threshold requirements.
Meaning it was very limited in availability.Which inevitably makes it worth more.
Like the man himself.A teetotaler,Trump ventures into to things to Hype his
name brand and post a profit.Trump couldn't even offer a Vodka to inspire vodka Lovers.
He did it for the sheer lust of having his name on a Bottle.

 

Imagine that .... a Vodka that keeps silent about who and where it's distilled.
In a Dutch Distillery? .Are the bottles made in Europe.Then to cut costs,
China.Like some of Trumps apparel.
Trump is a Huckster.Like the Movie - The Hudsucker Proxy -.
He lives to hear and see his name.The biggest narcissist on Planet Earth.
Who wants that for President.?
I go back to something most true red-blooded American can grasp.
The worst 2 words a Family man { household breadwinner } will ever
hear in his life are ... " You're Fired ! "
Is that so hard to grasp.
If Trump can popularize that notion ... Then Witches and Cauldrons beware.
The Season of the male Witch is upon us.

 

so you oppose nationality and ethnicity.

that's nice. take it to another thread.

 

NO he doesn't. Well other than his anti-Semitism.

 

Not jews, he's going to round up the 'mexicans' and put them in ghettos, then.... you see that smoke? don't ask.

 

those are all rich jews who benefit from the corporate establishment and are fear mongering to protect their pot of gold, not ordinary jews.

Trump is the last person to validate the prejudice of the right in law he is a crony capitalist who played by rules he didn't make to get rich, not a national socialist like Hitler. two entirely different things.

he really wants to make america great again economically.

 

You really shouldn't use the word 'deleterious.' It's bad for your brain. Somewhat like irradiated oat bran.

 

We've stepped into quite the controversial topic. The Jewish theater of the discussion. As noted by Bernie Sanders, AIPAC and these 2% of the US population has dominated our foreign theater ever since the end of the Second World war. It's gotten to the point where even native Jews in Israel are sick of it, and they feel like their country is weaker for it.

It is with irony that I agree with the far-right Jews. Israel is an independent, sovereign nation and does not need US Support. Furthermore, the so-called "alliance" has been an obstacle to US neutrality and other goals in the Middle East. Given all of this, going our separate ways is best for us.

I see Israel as no different from Saudi Arabia, and the other countries. Israel is a theocracy. The US has no biological, ethnic or geographical ties to the Middle East other than the Jewish-Americans. We literally have no dog in the religious warfare of over 1,000 years.

So, should the English-Western State be brought into the war for the sake of 2% of this country? I say: Nay! American blood sacrificed for the Middle East is a venture that we've all grown sick and tired of.

I'd take the time to note that my geopolitical stance as it regards Israel, can't be said to be the same thing as towards my attitude of Jewish People. Look, if you celebrate Hanukkah in your home, have at it. I really couldn't care less. If an Islam celebrates their day of Fasting, that's on them too.

Their basic civil rights, etc should and I would do everything to protect those rights. There won't be a Night of the Long Knives here.
To counter the perceived undue political influence, it's very simple: America is not Germany. If you want to cry about the Holocaust and everything that happened, go cry to Europe. It has NOTHING to do with America, or America's foreign and domestic policies.

We will protect everyone's civil rights, but you have no more or no less importance to the US than anyone else. That's why I'll ban all lobbying groups.

 

when Trump quotes Fascists like Mussolini on his Twitter account, its kind of his fault

 

Please. Trump would use his power as President to build Trump Towers in the occupied territories.

 

those soldiers in the bottom right, are Nazi troops.

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"Il Duce", was the title for Mussolini, Fascist dictator of Italy.

 

Trump wants to keep Muslims out. Israel wants to keep Muslims out. If Israel/Jews support Hillary over Trump, it is only because they are hoping Hillary will let the terrorist come here to attack instead of staying there to do it.